Canada not the only country in dire need of the death penalty!

[EagleSmack]

One of the arguments that anti-capital punishment people use is that Capital Punishment does not deter so we shouldn't have it. I think that argument isn't the one to use because the same could be said for life in prison without parole. Life without parole will never deter a criminal either but we can't just do away with it. There HAS to be a punishment.

Capital Punishment is the punishment given for certain crimes. The consequence of one's actions. The argument, IMO, and the only argument is that state sanctioned executions are wrong. Not that they cost more, people may be innocent and executed, or that it does not deter criminals. We simply should not be executing people. It should not be on the "menu" of punishments.

 

[JLM]

Problem is, you have to decide which cases should have it, and which not, and that will constantly change based on the person doing the deciding. As long as you're happy to execute innocent people by mistake, then you can have capital punishment.

Not so much which cases as which criteria! By the time the trial is over I'd say you'd have a definite indication in the bulk of the cases.

 

[EagleSmack]

If everyone advocating for the death penalty were forced to watch an execution there may not be so many proponents.

I'm not so sure.

 

[JLM]

For me it goes a little further. Let's say every single person on Death Row was for a fact guilty as charged and it costs us $50 to execute the criminal, to me capital punishment is wrong.

I am with the other poster. 23 Hours a day in a cell and that's that.

So it's OK to house these guys for $millions of dollars a year, while innocent people are dying waiting for funds for a heart operation?

I know there is the argument that execution doesn't prevent crime.............of course not but move the execution up from 20 years to 20 days and that would eliminate most of the complacency.

Watching television is good entertainment, but you really should be there in person, in the same room.
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How many people do you think would be really bothered if Paul Bernardo or the likes of the guy who carved up the Chinese student were executed in the same room?

 

[Mowich]

I'm not so sure.

That is exactly why I wrote 'may', Eagle..........I'm not so sure either, I simply would hope that would be the case.
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[JLM]

That is exactly why I wrote 'may', Eagle..........I'm not so sure either, I simply would hope that would be the case.

I don't think any particular person should be forced to watch it, but I bet the living relatives of the victim(s) might not be too squeamish.

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[MapleDog]

I once said/wrote in an open discussion about it,and said that those who are against death penalty,if we would ask them to pay from their own pocket to keep some of the more dangerous ones in jail,that i'm sure they wuld not want to pay a dime,so why forcing the families of their victims to pay for it with their taxes.

 

[Locutus]

Watching television is good entertainment, but you really should be there in person, in the same room.
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You jelly bro?

Maybe have a look and listen to a few in HD then get back to us if you can stomach it. If you like I can give you some quality links.

Then again, I'm sure you've seen it all there hoss. :lol:

 

[SLM]

Capital Punishment is the punishment given for certain crimes. The consequence of one's actions. The argument, IMO, and the only argument is that state sanctioned executions are wrong. Not that they cost more, people may be innocent and executed, or that it does not deter criminals. We simply should not be executing people. It should not be on the "menu" of punishments.

Absolutely agree.100%.

 

[Johnnny]

Taking someones life regardless if its in the name of "Justice" is too heavy a burdon for society to bear. We as a people are above the pettyness of scum bag killers. Personally id rather these people rot in an 8x8 cell, and the only thing for them to kill there is time.

 

[EagleSmack]

So it's OK to house these guys for $millions of dollars a year, while innocent people are dying waiting for funds for a heart operation?

I know there is the argument that execution doesn't prevent crime.............of course not but move the execution up from 20 years to 20 days and that would eliminate most of the complacency.

Well you're a proponent for Capital Punishment so I can see why you would say that. Believe me I was once a proponent for it so I get where you are coming from. I do not think it has anything to do with people waiting for medical proceedures though. You would rather have them executed and be done with them.

As far as costs, I don't think that should be a reason for or against capital punishment.

You either want capital punishment as punishment or not. I doubt the cost could sway you either way.

I once said/wrote in an open discussion about it,and said that those who are against death penalty,if we would ask them to pay from their own pocket to keep some of the more dangerous ones in jail,that i'm sure they wuld not want to pay a dime,so why forcing the families of their victims to pay for it with their taxes.

We do pay for it out of our own pockets. They're called taxes.

 

[SLM]

As far as costs, I don't think that should be a reason for or against capital punishment.

You either want capital punishment as punishment or not. I doubt the cost could sway you either way.

That would be a pretty cold hearted if that was the deciding influence.

No, we can't condemn someone for committing an act by perpetrating that same act upon them.

Society, the justice system, needs to be above the actions of criminals. Period.

Mind you I completely understand the sentiment behind most calls for Capital Punishment and I firmly believe, in my heart of hearts, that it is for the majority a purely emotional reaction. I do believe that, if push came to shove, a very good number of people who make noise (most especially in conversation) wouldn't be able to pull the switch themselves. There are some that could, no doubt, but I don't think most people would. They'd like to be able to say yes and then turn the other way.

 

[Goober]

Or maybe witness two innocent children being starved to death. Sorry I'm on the side of the innocent NOT the guilty!



A few weeks of "trepanations":lol: before they go to the gallows wouldn't hurt either!



Totally ignorant statement from an ignoramus! :lol:

JLM - So those that have been executed and found later to be innocent- perhaps all those involved should then be sentenced to death- After all they caused the death of an innocent man or woman.

 

[TenPenny]

You jelly bro?

Maybe have a look and listen to a few in HD then get back to us if you can stomach it. If you like I can give you some quality links.

Then again, I'm sure you've seen it all there hoss. :lol:

Television is good entertainment, as I said.

How many have you seen where you are in the same room?

Or are you a distance voyeur, you like the snuff flicks and pretend you want 'justice'.

Not so much which cases as which criteria! By the time the trial is over I'd say you'd have a definite indication in the bulk of the cases.

And therein lies the problem. The 'bulk' of cases.

So you're suggesting we execute some innocent people so that we're right in the 'bulk' of cases. That makes us as bad as the murderer. We'll show that murder is wrong by murdering the murderers.

 

[JLM]

JLM - So those that have been executed and found later to be innocent- perhaps all those involved should then be sentenced to death- After all they caused the death of an innocent man or woman.

That is the one hangup, so corroborating evidence is definitely required. On the other hand any other sentence isn't a 100% guarantee of dying a natural death either. One example, Clifford Olson was definitely guilty, as he showed the cops where the bodies were buried. It's too late now to deal with him but he for one could have been safely dispatched!

 

[WLDB]

Also; Holmolka should still be inside.

I think thats something everyone would agree with. It was such a stupid deal to make.

 

[EagleSmack]

Mind you I completely understand the sentiment behind most calls for Capital Punishment and I firmly believe, in my heart of hearts, that it is for the majority a purely emotional reaction.

Right... they want them to pay. For such heinous acts they want them to pay with their lives. Plain and simple.

And if you're reading this JLM... I'm not knocking you. I totally understand the rage one feels when we read these stories. Those that do perpetrate these crimes are monsters IMO. I have little sympathy when one on Death Row talks about being tortured by the system. However I am against capital punishment.

 

[B00Mer]

He said that anyone who wanted capital punishment should have to witness a hanging before they decided.

Can we start with the fella that killed all those prostitutes in BC and fed them to his pigs, and I will even pull the leaver.

Then I will be the first to sign legislation for the death penalty to be brought back to Canada..

 

[JLM]

And therein lies the problem. The 'bulk' of cases.

Not at all, you give them the benefit of the doubt and lock them and throw the key away. There was nothing in the O.P. about ANY particular reprobate having to be executed.

Also; Holmolka should still be inside.

You ain't just whistlin' Dixie..................inside a pine box!

Right... they want them to pay. For such heinous acts they want them to pay with their lives. Plain and simple.

And if you're reading this JLM... I'm not knocking you. I totally understand the rage one feels when we read these stories. Those that do perpetrate these crimes are monsters IMO. I have little sympathy when one on Death Row talks about being tortured by the system. However I am against capital punishment.

I understand that, I too loath to have to kill another human being but a few of these bastards aren't human. Homolka was implicated in the murder of her own sister! What right does she have to breathe?

 

[Goober]

Not at all, you give them the benefit of the doubt and lock them and throw the key away. There was nothing in the O.P. about ANY particular reprobate having to be executed.

JLM - Some information on persons that were sentenced to die.
Note that these were Journalism Students- Not lawyers- Not police - Not anyone that is supposedly qualified to find and present evidence.

Note it could have made the Guinness Book of Records-

Illinois Governor's Blanket Pardon Spares Lives of 167 Condemned Inmates | Fox News

It was a sharp contrast from the jubilant reaction at Northwestern University, where journalism students investigating Illinois death row cases have helped exonerate some inmates. Ryan's speech was attended by a who's who of anti-death penalty activists.
"Gov. Ryan has taught us what leading truly looks like," said Lawrence C. Marshall, director of the Center on Wrongful Convictions at Northwestern University. "This is greatness, my friends."


4 Death Row Inmates Are Pardoned - New York Times

Though 102 condemned inmates have been exonerated nationwide since the death penalty was re-instituted in the mid-1970's, several experts said they knew of no other case of an inmate being pardoned directly off death row. The closest parallel came in October 2000, when Earl Washington, who had already had his death sentence commuted to life, was pardoned in Virginia after DNA tests proved his innocence.

Governor Ryan's action today is also different because Mr. Hobley and the others -- Stanley Howard, Leroy Orange and Aaron Patterson -- have been unable to convince judges or prosecutors that they were wrongly convicted.

''Four pardons to people under active sentences of death is Guinness Book of World Records rare,'' said Frank Zimring, a law professor at the University of California at Berkeley. ''Gubernatorial clemency has become an endangered species in death penalty cases. Gubernatorial pardon is extraordinary.''