Polar Bears, Polar Bears Everywhere

Cabbagesandking

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I believe, kakato, that I has discovered your problem. If you like, I wil send my six year old grandson to help you with it. He has been able to interpret a calendar quite well for some time now.
 

Tonington

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I wonder if plants who set their growing season strictly by hours of available sunlight per day really give a **** about temperature?

Hmm, yet another case where Pete thinks that there's only one factor that matters. Maple trees will turn red earlier with cool temperatures too. Many biological changes like this are often a combination of temperature and photo period, with lesser effects from things like damage to leaves.

Durp.
 

CDNBear

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I believe, kakato, that I has discovered your problem. If you like, I wil send my six year old grandson to help you with it. He has been able to interpret a calendar quite well for some time now.
Although I agree, you didn't really need to get him to write that post for you.

How does an early spring or late fll effect a plant with a set grow cycle based on hours of sunlight?
Because it doesn't matter how many hours of sunlight there is, when the ambient temperature is outside the plants survivable range.

Indeed!
 

Kakato

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Hmm, yet another case where Pete thinks that there's only one factor that matters. Maple trees will turn red earlier with cool temperatures too. Many biological changes like this are often a combination of temperature and photo period, with lesser effects from things like damage to leaves.

Durp.
Well he has been there and you have not.They have 24 hour darkness in the arctic in the winter.
You do realize this right?
They don't even have "winter wheat".

:)
 

CDNBear

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Well he has been there and you have not.They have 24 hour darkness in the arctic in the winter.
You do realize this right?
I have too.

So have the Elders in the pdf I posted a link to. Actually, they live there.

Here it is again, since you ignored it...

Representatives from Nunavut Tunngavik, Kitikmeot Inuit Association, Kivalliq Inuit
Association, Qikiqtani Inuit Association, Inuit Tapirasat of Canada, Nunavut Planning
Commission, Nunavut Impact Review Board, Department of Indian and Northern Development
and Government of Nunavut also participated in the conference.

· Winters are getting shorter, summers are getting longer.


· We are losing the ice in our glaciers and fiords. Permafrost is melting. We see

vegetation growing where ice used to be.

· The sun’s rays are increasing, Inuit need stronger suntan lotion.


· We now see birds and wildlife that we have never seen here before. Ravens are

everywhere, Snow Geese are too numerous.

· Heavier winds can be dangerous, be cautious. Because of Global Warming we could

become subject to catastrophes like hurricanes.

· Caribou meat tastes different now and there are concerns about contaminants and

diseases. We send samples out to labs but never get results back. Caribou hides are
thinner.

· More Inuit are dying from cancers, including skin cancers. We have to find out if this is

from mining or contaminants or from climate change.

· Fall ice forms later and may not be safe to travel on until Christmas


· If trends continue, Hudson Bay (and other areas) may never freeze over. The impact on

wildlife will be tremendous.

· Inuit have to be prepared for the impacts of Global Warming.


· Water levels are getting lower


· Isostatic rebounding


· The floe edge is receding faster


· More ships are traveling through the Northwest Passage, due to the lower ice coverage in

recent years.

From the 'peeps' that live there...

http://www.tunngavik.com/files/2011/03/elders.pdf

Even by your own standards, that makes me and the Elders authorities.

I hope this now clears up, and ends the use of your silly use of that fallacy.
 

Tonington

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Well he has been there and you have not.They have 24 hour darkness in the arctic in the winter.
You do realize this right?

How many times must I tell you this, I lived in the North. Rankin Inlet and Pine Point.

And what do you think that matters one iota for whether or not a plant changes pigment expression? :lol:

Durp.
 

Kakato

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I believe, kakato, that I has discovered your problem. If you like, I wil send my six year old grandson to help you with it. He has been able to interpret a calendar quite well for some time now.

And how many years experience do you have in the Arctic?
Curious.

How many times must I tell you this, I lived in the North. Rankin Inlet and Pine Point.

And what do you think that matters one iota for whether or not a plant changes pigment expression? :lol:

Durp.
I'll have to ask next time i.m there,my stepdad is from Pine Point,you were prolly in diapers then though.

:)
 

petros

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Hmm, yet another case where Pete thinks that there's only one factor that matters. Maple trees will turn red earlier with cool temperatures too. Many biological changes like this are often a combination of temperature and photo period, with lesser effects from things like damage to leaves.

Durp.
Maple trees also turn yellow by photo period. Your point? One factor? Anus of Green Gables....In all the yipping back and forth with krakto did you ever consider photo period on Arctic flora? Yes or no?
 

CDNBear

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And how many years experience do you have in the Arctic?
Curious.
What does that matter?

You claim that because you lived there, you are an authority.

Your claims on permafrost and geothermal viability, were proven false.

Your claim that the people that live there haven't seen any changes, has been proven false.

Here it is again, from the 'peeps' that live there...

Representatives from Nunavut Tunngavik, Kitikmeot Inuit Association, Kivalliq Inuit
Association, Qikiqtani Inuit Association, Inuit Tapirasat of Canada, Nunavut Planning
Commission, Nunavut Impact Review Board, Department of Indian and Northern Development
and Government of Nunavut also participated in the conference.

· Winters are getting shorter, summers are getting longer.


· We are losing the ice in our glaciers and fiords. Permafrost is melting. We see

vegetation growing where ice used to be.

· The sun’s rays are increasing, Inuit need stronger suntan lotion.


· We now see birds and wildlife that we have never seen here before. Ravens are

everywhere, Snow Geese are too numerous.

· Heavier winds can be dangerous, be cautious. Because of Global Warming we could

become subject to catastrophes like hurricanes.

· Caribou meat tastes different now and there are concerns about contaminants and

diseases. We send samples out to labs but never get results back. Caribou hides are
thinner.

· More Inuit are dying from cancers, including skin cancers. We have to find out if this is

from mining or contaminants or from climate change.

· Fall ice forms later and may not be safe to travel on until Christmas


· If trends continue, Hudson Bay (and other areas) may never freeze over. The impact on

wildlife will be tremendous.

· Inuit have to be prepared for the impacts of Global Warming.


· Water levels are getting lower


· Isostatic rebounding


· The floe edge is receding faster


· More ships are traveling through the Northwest Passage, due to the lower ice coverage in

recent years.

From the 'peeps' that live there...

http://www.tunngavik.com/files/2011/03/elders.pdf
 

Cabbagesandking

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And how many years experience do you have in the Arctic?
Curious.

I'll have to ask next time i.m there,my stepdad is from Pine Point,you were prolly in diapers then though.

:)

None in the Arctic. Perhaps that is why my brain is not frozen and I can think and take in the natural science of this.

How do you think the graphs that Tonington posted were made?
 

Kakato

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Who knows,someone sucking a grant off the government maybe,seen lots of that.
I never have seen any of these so called researchers out on the tundra yet though.
Some people believe in everything they see on the net,I dont because I have been in that area for many years.