Jewish MP: Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza

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So you do like to cuddle.
Of course, just not with extremist bigot beavers.

Nothing can justify their actions, but context is important.
Yes, with the context, err... the excuse you provided, you really don't have to use the term "Freedom Fighter".

Although you did call the Hezbollah "Freedom Fighters" and boasted about how they "kicked Israels ass".

In the future please quote one of these statements regarding my opinion of Palestinian war criminals:

Deliberately attacking a bus would be a war crime. Firing rockets and mortars in the general direction of civilians are war crimes. I don't defend war crimes or war criminals.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/i...ish-mp-israel-acting-like-11.html#post1626056

The Palestinian war criminals have crude unguided missiles... but they still get lucky every once in a while. I judge someone to be a war criminal based on their actions and intent
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/i...wish-mp-israel-acting-like-4.html#post1622228

Individuals on both sides of this conflict have committed war crimes. I believe in holding all war criminals accountable for their actions. I am against collectively punishing an entire group of people for the actions of a minority of individuals within the group.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/105146-israel-warns-neighbors-over-march-13.html#post1569915

My viewpoint is that we should not treat one group of war criminals better than another.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/105146-israel-warns-neighbors-over-march-13.html#post1569779

I have never made a single post in support of Hamas or Hezbollah war crimes. I've never made a single post in support of firing rockets and mortars at Israeli civilians. I've consistently condemned such actions as war crimes and I'll do it again.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/105146-israel-warns-neighbors-over-march-5.html#post1566837

The old fall back for Israeli apologists.If the person starts to make sense and they are making a point which portrays Israel as less than a shining beacon of freedom and democracy then they must be anti-Semitic. A reasonable person couldn't be against an angry mob because they are attacking innocent people. That person must be against the angry mob because they are Jewish of course. A reasonable person couldn't be on the side of innocent Palestinians who just to live in peace. No anyone who criticizes Israel must be anti-Semite rather than be a supporter of universal human rights.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/105146-israel-warns-neighbors-over-march-5.html#post1566728

My position is that Canada and Canadians should not support war criminals. We should support the right of civilians to live in peace, regardless of race or religion. The evil Zionists would like people to erroneously believe only two choices exist, that you either support their war crimes or you support their adversaries war crimes. But other choices exist which don't involve supporting evil people and their evil agendas.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/i...srael-genocide-reality-check.html#post1527130

Neutrality is the best path when supporting one side or the other involves supporting war crimes and crimes against humanity.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/c...-time-tougher-foreign-policy.html#post1525847

Netanyahu and Nasrallah are both dangerous war criminals. Hence the reference to spy vs spy. We've been fed lies by war criminals on one side that we must support their crimes or else we are supporting their adversaries crimes. I don't see it that way. More than two choices exist.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/103652-israeli-planes-attack-gaza-targets-3.html#post1518066

I admit I've taken a side, its just not the one you've assigned to me. I'm on the side of innocent civilians who just want to live in peace. I am against war criminals and people who commit crimes against humanity.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/i...-preparations-attack-iran-10.html#post1516483

I condemn those people who fire rockets and mortars at innocent civilians. Some of them are members of Hamas and other aren't. Not all members of Hamas fire rockets and mortars at innocent civilians.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/99813-osama-bin-laden-dead-6.html#post1420696
Why?

You just got admonished for dragging other members into your agenda, and making up an opinion for them, that they never offered.

How come we must treat you any different then how you treat other members?
 

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You've made that claim that I consider Hezbollah to be Freedom Fighters since at least January 2011.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/i...my-islamic-terrorist-buddies.html#post1366862

Every time I ask you to post a link supporting your claim you just make another wild unsupported allegation about what I believe and support. While you've actually convinced some people here that I support violence and terrorism:

Earth as one if you have buddies that are terrorists or are planning on acting like terrorists, it is your job to report them. Cause otherwise your a terrorist for suppourting them

Most people here can see right through your malicious lies and deceptions.

For the record here is a list of illegal activities from this conflict that I condemn equally:

A) Palestinian war crimes and violations of international law.

1) Palestinian armed groups fail to distinguish between military targets and the civilian population and civilian objects in southern Israel. Since the launching of rockets and mortars which cannot be aimed with sufficient precisions at military targets breaches the fundamental principle of distinction. Where there is no intended military target and the rockets and mortars are launched into civilian areas, they constitute a deliberate attack against the civilian population. These actions would constitute war crimes and may amount to crimes against humanity.

2) Gaza authorities (Hamas) carried out extrajudicial executions, arbitrary arrests, detentions and ill-treatment of people, in particular political opponents, which constitute serious violations of the human rights to life, to liberty and security of the person, to freedom from torture or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment, to be protected against arbitrary arrest and detention, to a fair and impartial legal proceeding; and to freedom of opinion and expression, including freedom to hold opinions without interference.

3) The Palestinian Authority’s (Fatah) actions against political opponents (primarily Hamas) in the West Bank violate international human rights law and Palestinian Law. Detentions on political grounds violate the rights to liberty and security of person, to a fair trial and the right not to be discriminated against on the basis of one’s political opinion, which are all part of customary international law. Also I am against torture and other forms of ill-treatment during arrest and detention and of death in detention in violation of Palestinian and international law.

B) Israeli war crimes, crimes against humanity and violations of international law:

1)Israel does not take feasible precautions required by customary law reflected in article 57 (2) (a) (ii) of Additional Protocol I to avoid or minimize incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians and damage to civilian objects. I refer to the IDF's indiscriminate use of white phosphorus, high explosive artillery and flechettes in densely populated urban areas and specifically on or adjacent to UN facilities, bomb shelters, hospitals, schools/universities and fire stations which violated articles 18 and 19 of the Fourth Geneva Convention because their use in these areas predictably caused excessive damage to civilians and civilian infrastructure. Israel had more precise weapons in their arsenal which could have accomplished the same military objectives without causing extensive civilian collateral damage.

2) Israel's deliberate attacks on civilians and civilian objects (individuals, whole families, houses, mosques) in violation of the fundamental international humanitarian law principle of distinction, resulting in deaths and serious injuries. These deliberate attacks in clear violation of customary law reflected in article 51 (2) and 75 of Additional Protocol I, article 27 of the Fourth Geneva Convention and articles 6 and 7 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. In some cases, these attacks clearly had no military purpose and were for the sole purpose of spreading terror among the civilian population. IN one attack, the IDF herded about 100 civilians into a building and then deliberately shelled it with high explosives, killing 35 people, the majority of whom were women and children.

3) Israel's deliberate attacks on ambulances and their deliberate targeting of medics and ambulance drivers are war crimes. Also, Israel's armed forces blocked the access of humanitarian organizations to evacuate the wounded and provide medical relief, in violation of customary international law reflected in article 10 (2) of Additional Protocol I.

4) Israel deliberately attacked police stations killing large numbers of policemen during the first minutes of the military operations. In one case, Israel bombed a police cadet graduation ceremony, killing most of the cadets as well as elementary school children who were just queuing up for class across the street. Israel's failure to respect the principle of proportionality between the military advantage anticipated by killing some policemen who might have
been members of Palestinian armed groups and the loss of civilian life (the majority of policemen and members of the public in the police stations at the time of the attack (parents and families of the cadets) and school children nearby.

5) Israeli armed forces extensive use of Palestinian civilians including young children as human shields. I refer to the common IDF practice of abducting civilians at gunpoint and forcing them to enter houses which might be booby-trapped or harbour enemy combatants (aka the “neighbour procedure”, or “Johnnie procedure”) during the military operations. This cowardly use of human shields is prohibited by international humanitarian law and is a war crime.

6) Israel's abduction of civilians, threats of violence and death, detention without cause, torture and summary execution of civilians are war crimes. Israel's use of severe beatings, constant humiliating and degrading treatment and detention in foul conditions under the control of the Israeli armed forces and in detention in Israel, constitute a failure to treat protected persons humanely in violation of article 27 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, as well as violations of articles 7 and 10 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights regarding torture and the treatment of persons in detention, and of its article 14 with regard to due process guarantees. The treatment of women during detention was contrary to the special respect for women required under customary law as reflected in the article 76 of Additional Protocol I. During Operation Cast Lead, the IDF rounded-up of large groups of civilians and their prolonged detention under the above circumstances constitute a collective penalty on those persons in violation of article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention and article 50 of the Hague Regulations. Such treatment amounts to measures
of intimidation or terror prohibited by article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention.

7) Deliberate demolitions of civilian infrastructure are war crimes. IDF attacks against the Palestinian Legislative Council building and the main prison in Gaza constituted deliberate attacks on civilian objects in violation of the rule of customary international humanitarian law whereby attacks must be strictly limited to military objectives. The Israeli armed forces also unlawfully and wantonly demolished without military necessity food production, food processing facilities (including mills, farm land, barns, farm animals and greenhouses), drinking-water installations, farms and animals in violation of the principle of distinction. This destruction was carried out with the purpose of denying sustenance to the civilian population, in violation of customary law reflected in article 54 (2) of the First Additional Protocol. Israeli armed forces carried out widespread destruction of private residential houses, water wells and water tanks unlawfully and wantonly. In addition to being violations of international humanitarian law, these extensive wanton acts of destruction amount to violations of Israel’s duties to respect the right to an adequate standard of living of the people in the Gaza Strip, which includes the rights to food, water and housing, as well as the right to the highest attainable standard of health, protected under articles 11 and 12 of the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights.

8 ) Israel's humanitarian aid blockade which limits food an medical aid for four years which has artificially caused 1.5 million people to suffer disease and malnutrition is a crime against humanity. The blockade policies implemented by Israel against the Gaza Strip, in particular the closure of or restrictions imposed on border crossings in the immediate period before the military operations, subjected the local population to extreme hardship and deprivations that amounted to a violation of Israel’s obligations as an occupying Power under the Fourth Geneva Convention. These measures led to a severe deterioration and regression in the levels of realization of economic and social rights of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip and weakened its social and economic fabric, leaving health, education, sanitation and other essential services in a very vulnerable position to cope with the immediate effects of the military operations. Israel has essentially violated its obligation to allow free passage of all consignments of medical and hospital objects, food and clothing that were needed to meet the urgent humanitarian needs of the civilian population in the context of the military operations, which is in violation of article 23 of the Fourth Geneva Convention. The conditions resulting from deliberate actions of the Israeli armed forces and the declared policies of the Government with regard to the Gaza Strip before, during and after the military operation cumulatively indicate the intention to inflict collective punishment on the people of the Gaza Strip and a clear violation of the provisions of article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention.

9) Treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank by Israeli security forces, included the use of excessive or lethal force during demonstrations. Israel has failed to fulfill its international obligations to protect the Palestinians from violence by private individuals (Israeli settler violence against Palestinians in the West Bank) under both international human rights law and international humanitarian law. In some instances security forces acquiesced to the acts of violence in violation of the prohibition against cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment. When this acquiescence occurs only in respect of violence against Palestinians by settlers and not vice versa, it would amount to discrimination on the basis of national origin, prohibited under ICCPR. Israel also violated a series of human rights by unlawfully repressing peaceful public demonstrations and using excessive force against demonstrators. The use of firearms, including live ammunition, and the use of snipers resulting in the death of demonstrators are a violation of article 6 of ICCPR as an arbitrary deprivation of life and indicate an intention or at least a recklessness towards causing harm to civilians which may amount to wilful killing. Israel's excessive use of force that resulted in injury rather than death constitutes violations of a number of standards, including articles 7 and 9 of ICCPR. These violations are compounded by the seemingly discriminatory “open fire regulations” for security forces dealing with demonstrations, based on the presence of persons with a particular nationality, violating the principle of non-discrimination in ICCPR (art. 2) as well as under article 27 of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Israel has failed to investigate, and when appropriate prosecute, acts by its agents or by third parties involving serious violations of international humanitarian law and human rights law. Israel's inaction of hold criminals accountable for assaulting and murdering Palestinians has created a culture of impunity where Israeli settlers and security forces can commit murder with little fear of criminal prosecution and as a result the level of settler and security force violence against Palestinians and their property has increased to the point where Palestinians cannot leave their homes without fear of being attacked and killed.


10) Israel's detention of political prisoners violates the right not to be arbitrarily detained, as protected by article 9of ICCPR. Israel has detained members of the Palestinian Legislative and members of their family based on their political affiliation and prevents those members from participating in the conduct of public affairs. Insofar as their detention is unrelated to their individual behavior, it constitutes collective punishment, prohibited by article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Information on the detention of large numbers of children and their treatment by Israeli security forces point to violations of their rights under ICCPR and the Convention on the Rights of the Child.


11) Israel's extensive restrictions on the movement and access of Palestinians in the West Bank are disproportionate to any legitimate objective served and in violation of article 27 of the Fourth Geneva Convention and article 12 of ICCPR, guaranteeing freedom of movement. Where checkpoints become a site of humiliation of the protected population by military or civilian operators, this may entail a violation of the customary law rule reflected in article 75 (2) (b) of Additional Protocol I.

12) Israel's continued construction of settlements in occupied territory constitutes a violation of article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention. The extensive destruction and appropriation of property, including land confiscation and house demolitions in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly, amounts to a grave breach under article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Insofar as movement and access restrictions, the settlements and their infrastructure, demographic policies vis-à-vis Jerusalem and “Area C” of the West Bank, as well as the separation of Gaza from the West Bank, prevent a viable, contiguous and sovereign Palestinian State from arising, they are in violation of the jus cogens right to self determination.
 

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You've made that claim that I consider Hezbollah to be Freedom Fighters since at least January 2011.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/i...my-islamic-terrorist-buddies.html#post1366862
Every time I ask you to post a link supporting your claim you just make another wild unsupported allegation wabout what I believe and support.
No, I actually posted several quotes to back it up. You conveniently ignored the 4 or 5 times I actually took the time to do it.

So I don't bother and more.

While you've actually convinced some people here that i support violence and terrorism:
Because I've supplied ample evidence.

Most people here can see right through your malicious lies and deceptions.
Now that was an excellent example of an unsupportable claim. Since most members have seen the evidence, they fully believe you to be exactly what you have been proven to be.

And according to a recent warning you received from a Mod, they recognize it too.

For the record here is a list of illegal activities from this conflict that I condemn equally:
No you don't.

You have two standards. One for Palestinians, and one for Israel.

This even crosses over into how apply your own policies here at CC. There are rules you want enforced on everyone else, except you.

Again, something that a warning from the Staff, so kindly points out.
 

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I've been here a long time and I can't claim to remember the details of every post. So I just searched the forum myself and found nothing supporting your claims.

Your statements about what I believe and support are bold faced malicious lies and you know it.
 

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I've been here a long time and I can't claim to remember the details of every post.
Perfect...(*)

So I just searched the forum myself and found nothing supporting your claims.
That doesn't prove me wrong, or that they don't exist, lol.

Your statements above are bold faced malicious lies and you know it.
That is an unsubstantiated lie, by your own admission above *.

But speaking of malicious...

earth_as_one said:
I'd have given you a thumbs up for condemning this act of violence (unlike Goober and CB who don't consider Israelis attacking Palestinians to be a serious crime or believable).
Your false implication, is malicious in intent, and derogatory in nature.

Again we see the two standards of EAO. One for EAO, and one he wants enforced on everyone else.

And I didn't have to leave the thread to prove it either, lol.
 

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for the record:

My opinion of Hezbollah is that they are a direct consequence of Israeli expansionism into Lebanon. They are a group of intolerant religious extremists, who wouldn't been a player in the middle east or had any support in Lebanon, had Israel not invaded and occupied southern Lebanon. A large minority of Lebanese support Hezbollah today. If it wasn't for Hezbollah, Israel would have turned southern Lebanon into another West Bank or Gaza.

I oppose Hezbollah's use of rockets against Israeli civilian targets because this is a war crime. I support a sovereign country's right to defend themselves from a hostile foreign invasion force intent on expanding their borders and ethnically cleansing the local inhabitants, because people have a right to defend themselves from war criminals.

I am a non-violent pacifist, but even I recognize that force is sometimes required to defend yourself from an unprovoked attack.
 
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Of course, just not with extremist bigot beavers.

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My views on the crime syndicate known as Israel are not at all extremist nor are they bigoted in any way shape or form, they are simply a matter of good taste and judgement coupled to an abiding disgust for the genocidal murdering occupiers of Palestine.
 

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for the record:

My opinion of Hezbollah is that they are a direct consequence of Israeli expansionism into Lebanon.
Thank you for proving me right, lol.

They are a group of intolerant religious extremists, who wouldn't been a player in the middle east or had any support in Lebanon, had Israel not invaded Lebanon.
Wow, keep it coming, you're doing all the work for me, lol.

If it wasn't for Hezbollah, Israel would have turned southern Lebanon into another West Bank or Gaza.
Oh ya, the demonization, awesome, keep going, keep going!!!

I oppose Hezbollah's use of rockets against Israeli civilian targets because this is a war crime. I support the right the right of sovereign country's to defend themselves from a hostile foreign invasion force intent on expanding their borders and ethnically cleansing the local inhabitants, because people have a right to defend themselves from war criminals.
Oh ya, gimme more, gimme more!!!

I am a non-violent pacifist, but even I recognize that force is sometimes required to defend yourself from an unprovoked attack.
Oh wow, was that as good for you, as it was for me? Probably not, lol.

Thanks EAO, you just did, what you claimed I couldn't prove, and I bet you can't even fathom why.

My views on the crime syndicate known as Israel are not at all extremist nor are they bigoted in any way shape or form, they are simply a matter of good taste and judgement coupled to an abiding disgust for the genocidal murdering occupiers of Palestine.
Ok, are you and EAO pulling my chain in tandem?

Seriously, you two should probably stop trying to defend yourselves. You're doing more harm to yourselves than good, lol.
 

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Israelis has a right to defend themselves from attack, but they have no right to expand their borders into neighboring countries or cleanse the region of its inhabitants.
 

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Israelis has a right to defend themselves from attack, but they have no right to expand their borders into neighboring countries or cleanse the region of its inhabitants.

So Germany should then be given back the lands they lost after WW1 and 2 - I am not off topic.
 

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I'd have given you a thumbs up for condemning this act of violence (unlike Goober and CB who don't consider Israelis attacking Palestinians to be a serious crime or believable). But then you posted a link to neoconservative anti-Muslim hate site... On the plus side, it shows that you at least consider Palestinians to be human beings.

I have begun the habit of reading your posts again as I at times miss things- This one I clearly missed.
Please substantiate this allegation or apologize.
 

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I have begun the habit of reading your posts again as I at times miss things- This one I clearly missed.
Please substantiate this allegation or apologize.

#512Re: Jewish MP: Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza17 hours ago Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one
I'd have given you a thumbs up for condemning this act of violence (unlike Goober and CB who don't consider Israelis attacking Palestinians to be a serious crime or believable). But then you posted a link to neoconservative anti-Muslim hate site... On the plus side, it shows that you at least consider Palestinians to be human beings.

I have begun the habit of reading your posts again as I at times miss things- This one I clearly missed.
Please substantiate this allegation or apologize.

EAO- Bump to you.
 

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Neg repped, as per your rules, and reported, because it's an ongoing form of trolling, insult, harassment and attack.


He's fat and racist. Called me "boy" when he thought I was african american. He's human garbage no doubt. His blind love towards Israel a country he knows next to nothing about with simultaneously hatred for Palestinians, again something he knows nothing about, only confirms my opinion of his racial prejudices.
 

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He's fat and racist. Called me "boy" when he thought I was african american. He's human garbage no doubt. His blind love towards Israel a country he knows next to nothing about with simultaneously hatred for Palestinians, again something he knows nothing about, only confirms my opinion of his racial prejudices.

Boy is also a term for a youngster- a youngun or a child- someone that has not matured as of yet.
 

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He's fat and racist.
Actually I know DaS personally, he's quite fit for his age. Me being a minority, and him being a good friend of mine, on and off line, kind proves the latter to be out to lunch too.

Called me "boy" when he thought I was african american.
No he didn't, stop lying.

Why is it all you anti Israeli types lie so much?

He's human garbage no doubt.
Actually, he's a generous, salt of the earth, genuine kind of guy.

His blind love towards Israel a country he knows next to nothing about with simultaneously hatred for Palestinians, again something he knows nothing about, only confirms my opinion of his racial prejudices.
He doesn't blindly love Israel, in fact I don't think likes Israel all that much really. And given the many times you've been proven wrong about Palestine and Israel, you really shouldn't be pointing any 'knows nothing' fingers at anyone.
 

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Actually I know DaS personally, he's quite fit for his age. Me being a minority, and him being a good friend of mine, on and off line, kind proves the latter to be out to lunch too.

No he didn't, stop lying.

Why is it all you anti Israeli types lie so much?

Actually, he's a generous, salt of the earth, genuine kind of guy.

He doesn't blindly love Israel, in fact I don't think likes Israel all that much really. And given the many times you've been proven wrong about Palestine and Israel, you really shouldn't be pointing any 'knows nothing' fingers at anyone.

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