Mulcair touts oilsands as ‘important’ resource

petros

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When somebody says "majority of Canadians voted for Harper" did it ever cross your mind the "Canadians" mentioned are limited to the voting public by default?


Probably not eh?
 

Cabbagesandking

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When somebody says "majority of Canadians voted for Harper" did it ever cross your mind the "Canadians" mentioned are limited to the voting public by default?


Probably not eh?

And it was still a minority and not a very substantial minority. Dis you, too, miss the election?
 

beaker

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Re: Mulcair touts oilsands as ‘important’ resource

There are exercises for the brain, petros, that can improve comprehension.Whether they will be enough for you is questionable since you need a lot of improvement.

It does kind of make one despair for some, doesn't it? So often there is no obvious attempt made.

The tar sands developments are a triumph of the I'm not hearing anything but what is in my head already mentality. This is how significant and important developments sidetrack themselves. The refusal to recognize the better ways of doing things just puts them in the backwater. I expect that, if there isn't an improvement in corporate and governmental attitudes towards the environment and the economy, the Fort Mac area will be shut down and obsolete, except for clean-up which we will have to pay for, inside of 5 - 10 years.

Our need to be responsible for our surroundings, and our impacts on them is going to continue growing at this much improved pace. Think about it, how stupid are supporters of the pipeline going to look if the pipeline were built and then closed down early because ecological/economic awareness won't support the use of its contents.
 

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There are exercises for the brain, petros, that can improve comprehension.Whether they will be enough for you is questionable since you need a lot of improvement.

Still projecting your psychological problems on others I see. Harper has a MAJORITY government. That means that more people voted for the Conservative MPs than any other party. Hence the term MAJORITY. Look it up.
 

petros

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It does kind of make one despair for some, doesn't it? So often there is no obvious attempt made.

The tar sands developments are a triumph of the I'm not hearing anything but what is in my head already mentality. This is how significant and important developments sidetrack themselves. The refusal to recognize the better ways of doing things just puts them in the backwater. I expect that, if there isn't an improvement in corporate and governmental attitudes towards the environment and the economy, the Fort Mac area will be shut down and obsolete, except for clean-up which we will have to pay for, inside of 5 - 10 years.

Our need to be responsible for our surroundings, and our impacts on them is going to continue growing at this much improved pace. Think about it, how stupid are supporters of the pipeline going to look if the pipeline were built and then closed down early because ecological/economic awareness won't support the use of its contents.
What are tar sands?
 

taxslave

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It does kind of make one despair for some, doesn't it? So often there is no obvious attempt made.

The tar sands developments are a triumph of the I'm not hearing anything but what is in my head already mentality. This is how significant and important developments sidetrack themselves. The refusal to recognize the better ways of doing things just puts them in the backwater. I expect that, if there isn't an improvement in corporate and governmental attitudes towards the environment and the economy, the Fort Mac area will be shut down and obsolete, except for clean-up which we will have to pay for, inside of 5 - 10 years.

Our need to be responsible for our surroundings, and our impacts on them is going to continue growing at this much improved pace. Think about it, how stupid are supporters of the pipeline going to look if the pipeline were built and then closed down early because ecological/economic awareness won't support the use of its contents.

If you think you have a better method of extracting the oil why don't you sell it to the oil companies?
 

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Re: Mulcair touts oilsands as ‘important’ resource

What are tar sands?

exactly, exactly, good question. Those would be the sands with tar in them, as described for close to a hundred years of Canadian history, which people, increasingly of late very short sighted people, are trying to develop against the flow of modern intelligence. But not necessarily something that you have to be aware of.
 

petros

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exactly, exactly, good question. Those would be the sands with tar in them, as described for close to a hundred years of Canadian history, which people, increasingly of late very short sighted people, are trying to develop against the flow of modern intelligence. But not necessarily something that you have to be aware of.
Has the CGS EVER called them tars sands? Yes or no?
 

taxslave

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exactly, exactly, good question. Those would be the sands with tar in them, as described for close to a hundred years of Canadian history, which people, increasingly of late very short sighted people, are trying to develop against the flow of modern intelligence. But not necessarily something that you have to be aware of.

So sands with oil in them must be called....Wait for it. OIL SANDS.
 

beaker

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Re: Mulcair touts oilsands as ‘important’ resource

Has the CGS EVER called them tars sands? Yes or no?

Yes.

http://www.cgs.ca/pdf/heritage/History of Geotechnique - Bozozuk Article.pdf


"Bob co-founded R.M. Hardy & Associates Ltd., in 1951, the forerunner of Hardy
Associates (1978) Ltd. (Figure 3), which engaged in foundation engineering and design,
construction of earth dams and airports, investigation of structural failures, muskeg and
permafrost terrain constraints, pipeline construction, and mining of tar sands."

Any other questions?

So sands with oil in them must be called....Wait for it. OIL SANDS.

So I expect that as we find sands that predominantly have oil in them we will call them oil sands, meantime we are stuck with tarsands, and ones that have such dirty fuel in them that we should be leaving them alone. Until that better way of extracting, and using the product is found. Which will happen.
 

petros

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Yes.


Any other questions?.
Who were the humans who distilled the bitumen and left behind tar? Tar is a man made substance.

tar/tär/





Noun:
  • A dark, thick, flammable liquid distilled from wood or coal, consisting of hydrocarbons, resins, and alcohols, and used in roadmaking...
  • A sailor.
tar

1    /tɑr/ Show Spelled [tahr] Show IPA ,noun, verb, tarred, tar·ring, adjective
noun 1. any of various dark-colored viscid products obtained by the destructive distillation of certain organic substances, as coal or wood.

2. coal-tar pitch.

3. smoke solids or components: cigarette tar


Tar is modified pitch produced primarily from the wood and roots of pine by destructive distillation under pyrolysis. Production and trade in tar was a major contributor in the economies of Northern Europe and Colonial America, particularly North Carolina. Its main use was in preserving wooden vessels against rot. The largest user was the Royal Navy. Demand for tar declined with the advent of iron and steel ships.
Tar-like products can also be produced from other forms of organic matter such as peat. Mineral products resembling tar can be produced from fossil hydrocarbons including petroleum. Coal tar is produced from coal as a byproduct of coke production. Bitumen is a term used for natural deposits of oil "tar" – such as at the La Brea Tar Pits.
 

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Yes.

http://www.cgs.ca/pdf/heritage/History of Geotechnique - Bozozuk Article.pdf


"Bob co-founded R.M. Hardy & Associates Ltd., in 1951, the forerunner of Hardy
Associates (1978) Ltd. (Figure 3), which engaged in foundation engineering and design,
construction of earth dams and airports, investigation of structural failures, muskeg and
permafrost terrain constraints, pipeline construction, and mining of tar sands."

Any other questions?



So I expect that as we find sands that predominantly have oil in them we will call them oil sands, meantime we are stuck with tarsands, and ones that have such dirty fuel in them that we should be leaving them alone. Until that better way of extracting, and using the product is found. Which will happen.

We currently do not have any tar sands that I am aware of. If you know of any let us know as thousands of roofers are interested in pre-graveled tar.
 

petros

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We currently do not have any tar sands that I am aware of. If you know of any let us know as thousands of roofers are interested in pre-graveled tar.
Yes we do have tar sands. It's what we use to pave bike lanes. Good intentions makes for lousy pavement.
 

Cabbagesandking

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Still projecting your psychological problems on others I see. Harper has a MAJORITY government. That means that more people voted for the Conservative MPs than any other party. Hence the term MAJORITY. Look it up.

You have made the first step. More people voted Conservative than voted Liberal or NDP. Now, just sit back and try to go to the next. Less people voted Conservative than the total for the other parties. A lot less.

That is the meaning of minority and that is what would count in a democracy.

I doubt that your problems are psychological, or not deeply so. They are more likely to be a deficiency in numerical IQ or IQ generally.
 

petros

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So did the CGS ever refer to them as tar sands, ever? :):)
Nope. You posted an article in a CGS publication that refers to it as tarsands but that isn't a CGS defniition of the deposit is it?


Keep trying kid.

Do you know why the "colloquialism" tarsands is used? So ****heads like you know what the **** smart people are talking about.
 

beaker

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Re: Mulcair touts oilsands as ‘important’ resource

We currently do not have any tar sands that I am aware of. If you know of any let us know as thousands of roofers are interested in pre-graveled tar.

It is cute that proponents of the tar sands, which have been called that through history, are now wanting to call them oil sands. cute, but obvious. Accept what the deposits are, and learn how to deal with the extra problems it causes or leave them alone. Is that so hard? Rather than that we have people who should know better trying to hide behind some spin doctors nuspeak phrasology in an attempt to make the mess more palatable. Not working guys, the evidence is right there for us to see. That is the thing you should be worrying about.