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dumpthemonarchy

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My, what a good boy. Wow, 13%. Now that's a fair share. Such greedy buggers are destroying the economy so they can push even more wealth upwards. And he still might win the election. USA is a sell. Why is not taxing capital considered a good idea, yet taxing wages is fine? Why is making the rich even richer considered good policy?


Under fire, Mitt Romney says he has paid at least 13 per cent income tax - The Globe and Mail



Under fire, Mitt Romney says he has paid at least 13 per cent income tax

CHARLES BABINGTON and STEVE PEOPLES
Greer, S.C. — The Associated Press
Published Thursday, Aug. 16 2012, 5:45 PM EDT
Last updated Thursday, Aug. 16 2012, 10:50 PM EDT



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Republican presidential contender Mitt Romney declared Thursday he has paid at least 13 percent of his income in federal taxes every year for the past decade, offering that new detail while still decrying a “small-minded” fascination over returns he will not release. President Barack Obama's campaign shot back in doubt: “Prove it.”
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Campaigning separately, Governor Romney and running mate Paul Ryan also scrambled to explain their views on overhauling Medicare, the health care program relied on by millions of seniors.

Mr. Romney, the former company CEO, set up a whiteboard to make his case with a marker, while lawmaker Ryan resorted to congressional process language to explain why his budget plan includes the same $700 billion Medicare cut that he and Mr. Romney are assailing Mr. Obama for endorsing.

Essentially, Mr. Ryan said, he had to do it because Mr. Obama did it first.

Politically, both topics tie into major elements of the presidential race less than three months before the election: how well the candidates relate to the daily concerns and to the life circumstances of typical voters. Democrats are using the tax issue to raise doubts about Governor Romney's trustworthiness — or, as Republicans contend, to distract from a weak economic recovery under President Obama.

Mr. Romney's comments in South Carolina — at a news conference designed to focus on Medicare — showed that he remains sensitive to criticism of his tax payments but still is determined to release no more than two years of records despite contrary advice from some prominent Republicans.

The Obama campaign has aired an ad that, without evidence, raises the prospect that Mr. Romney paid no taxes some years. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., elevated that suggestion by claiming, also without proof, that an anonymous source told him Mr. Romney had not paid taxes for 10 years.

“I did go back and look at my taxes and over the past 10 years I never paid less than 13 percent,” Governor Romney told reporters after he landed in South Carolina for a fundraising event. “I think the most recent year is 13.6 or something like that. So I paid taxes every single year.”

Aides later said he meant to say 13.9 percent, the amount he already disclosed for his 2010 federal return.

On average, middle income families, those making from $50,000 to $75,000 a year, pay 12.8 percent of their income in federal taxes, according to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation. In 2010 and 2011, Mr. Romney made about $21 million a year.
Romney is able to keep his tax rate low because most of his income is from investments, which are generally taxed at a lower rate than wages. That type of legal tax figuring is something Mr. Obama has proposed changing, although his campaign notably said nothing about Mr. Romney's self-described tax rate itself.

Instead, the campaign targeted only Mr. Romney's truthfulness, refusing to accept his answer and pressuring him to release years of earlier tax returns.

“Prove it,” said Obama campaign spokeswoman Lis Smith. “Given Mitt Romney's secrecy about his returns, coupled with the revelations in just the one return we have seen to date and the inconsistencies between this one return and his other financial disclosures, he has forfeited the right to have us take him just at his word.”

Senator Reid's office said much the same. Mr. Romney demanded that Mr. Reid “put up” the name of his anonymous source.
“Given the challenges that America faces — 23 million people out of work, Iran about to become nuclear, one out of six Americans in poverty — the fascination with taxes I've paid I find to be very small-minded,” Mr. Romney said.

Obama and Vice President Joe Biden have released their returns for the years since 2000. The Obamas paid 20.5 percent in federal income taxes in 2011.

Congressman Ryan, meanwhile, found himself doing his own explaining.
He and Governor Romney have launched a new strategy this week of criticizing the President for taking more than $700 billion in Medicare funds to help pay for his health care overhaul. Yet those same cuts are in a House Republican budget blueprint authored by Mr. Ryan.

A reporter pressed him on the issue during a stop at a hot dog restaurant in Warren, Ohio.
His explanation was that the Medicare cuts were part of the existing baseline budget, including the Obama health care law he opposes.

“It gets a little wonky, but it was already in the baseline,” Mr. Ryan said. “We would never have done it in the first place.”
Mr. Romney hadn't scheduled any public events but put together a last-minute news conference to explain the differences between his Medicare plan and President Obama's.

“Which of these two do you think is better?” Mr. Romney asked as he stood under a glaring sun at an airport.
He says President Obama has cut $716 billion from the Medicare trust fund to pay for his national health care overhaul, weakening the program. Those cuts, mostly from health providers and insurance plans instead of directly from beneficiaries, would decrease the cost of the entitlement program over time and extend the life of the trust fund.

Mr. Ryan's budget would make those same cuts, though he would use the savings differently.

Mr. Romney — and Mr. Ryan, since joining the ticket — insist the cuts must be restored. That could make Medicare go bankrupt more quickly. But Romney says other parts of his plan, including giving fewer benefits to wealthier retirees, would keep Medicare solvent in the long term.

Independent groups say he has not supplied enough details to determine whether he would significantly shore up Medicare in years to come.

Democratic strategists and party officials say that while they still expect the race to stay close through the fall, they sense a slight shift in Obama's favor over the past two weeks. However, they expect Mr. Romney to get a boost following his party's convention and say a dismal economic report right before the election could pull votes his way.

President Obama spent the day in White House meetings save for a stop at Democratic National Committee headquarters. Mr. Romney is devoting most of this week, and much of next week, to raising money in non-competitive states including Alabama, South Carolina, Massachusetts, New York, Texas, Louisiana and New Mexico.
 

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Big effing deal. What he pays in income tax is nobody's business. The Bamster should show us his college records if he wants to see Romney's tax returns.
 

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The political system likes to focus on these esoteric details (birth certs, college transcripts, income tax returns) because they can't be bothered to consider the big issues.

It's far easier to grasp onto one insignificant detail, and beat it to death. Takes less attention.
 

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The political system likes to focus on these esoteric details (birth certs, college transcripts, income tax returns) because they can't be bothered to consider the big issues.

It's far easier to grasp onto one insignificant detail, and beat it to death. Takes less attention.

Yeah, like a drop of pickle juice on a hamburger. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 

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I'm sure that grossly underpaying your taxes is a very bad thing for a politician to do, but if the selling point for your campaign is "I pay my taxes", then you shouldn't be running for this job.
 

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I'm sure that grossly underpaying your taxes is a very bad thing for a politician to do, but if the selling point for your campaign is "I pay my taxes", then you shouldn't be running for this job.

Whereas not paying your taxes is not a big deal at all to some... as long as you're a Democrat.
 

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Dodge, shift, distract......and so on.

Kind of funny how Romney's taxes is an Obama Campaign strategy to distract from the disastarous economy... and you get this type of response.

Romney is a multi-millionare and probably uses all kinds of tax shelters to keep his money out of the governmen't paws. If he has done something illegal then charge him.

If not then they should stick to the issues.
 

JLM

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I don't care. What matters to me is how well people do their jobs in relation to what they are paid and whether they are of good character or not.

I might mention that I think Romney's character leaves a lot to be desired.

What politicians doesn't ? Outside of possibly Stanley Knowles? :lol:

Dodge, shift, distract......and so on.

You think that's going to change in your lifetime?
 

TenPenny

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Romney is a multi-millionare and probably uses all kinds of tax shelters to keep his money out of the governmen't paws. If he has done something illegal then charge him.

If he doesn't use shelters, he's not smart enough to be President!

The logical counter argument to that is to ask if Obama made ANY deductions for charity on his return; if so, he's using the same idea, and therefore equally guilty.
 

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If he doesn't use shelters, he's not smart enough to be President!

The logical counter argument to that is to ask if Obama made ANY deductions for charity on his return; if so, he's using the same idea, and therefore equally guilty.

As far as I know a guy who makes charitable donations and claims the deduction isn't guilty of ANYTHING.
 

TenPenny

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As far as I know a guy who makes charitable donations and claims the deduction isn't guilty of ANYTHING.

Guilty of using the tax system to reduce his tax payable.

Not guilty of a crime.

Funny how some people like to use the tax system, but then complain when others do so.
 

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He is admitting to 13% what a guy, paying his fair share, it is always good to admit to
something when he is cornered. Think he dismantled companies and put Americans
out of work and destroyed their lives. These people lost their medical, the had their
homes taken and the social structure of their lives is totally destroyed thanks to the
outright greed of people Like Romney. All this destruction and all he has to pay to be
a good American is 13%.
If America elects this guy I hope he puts them so far in the basement they never get out.
 

JLM

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He is admitting to 13% what a guy, paying his fair share, it is always good to admit to
something when he is cornered. Think he dismantled companies and put Americans
out of work and destroyed their lives. These people lost their medical, the had their
homes taken and the social structure of their lives is totally destroyed thanks to the
outright greed of people Like Romney. All this destruction and all he has to pay to be
a good American is 13%.
If America elects this guy I hope he puts them so far in the basement they never get out.

I'll bet he's paying more than most good Americans. :lol:
 

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I pay well over 40%. Mind, you, I live in a near "democracy". Pleased to pay it. I guess that's not Mitt's choice.
 

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So the tax system is fair?

Oh no I don't think its fair. Don't get me wrong. I cannot stand the government wanting my money and taking it. I cannot stand the government thinking that MY MONEY is their money and whatever they leave me at the end of the week I should be thankful for.