That's not following the analogy, that's formulating conjecture with no evidence to support it, other than conjecture.
Would you care to discuss the topic and not use distraction and moral relativism?
Iran's Nuclear Program
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At least five Iranian nuclear scientists, including a manager at the Natanz enrichment facility, have been murdered since 2010. Iran has video evidence of some of the killings and convicted the perpetrators. I don't trust confessions regarding US/Israel involvement in recruitment, training and financial and material support for the assassination teams.
Do you believe that US and Israel have nothing to do with murdering these unarmed Iranian civilians?
The US, Germany and Israel more or less claimed responsibility for the stuxnet virus which briefly brought Iran's uranium enrichment activity to a halt in 2010. Is it such a stretch that the same countries might also be involved in these murders? If we support these actions against our adversaries than we invite reciprocity.
Nope, I believe that there isn't enough solid evidence to support the claim.
Yes it would as big a stretch as if you were to be beaten up in a car park, and you thinking I'm responsible, because I trolled you on the net.
I don't consider most Iranians as my enemies. I want to know what they think of us. From what I know of them they don't have horns or a tail.
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I wonder what would happen if The United States of America was ordered to refrain
from having Nuclear weapons. ...
I agree with what you wrote. You also hit pillar 2 of the NPT"
First pillar: non-proliferation
Second pillar: disarmament
Third pillar: peaceful use of nuclear energy
Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
All nuke weapon possessing countries have violated pillar 2 the NPT by researching and modernizing their nuclear arsenals rather than reducing and eliminating..... Countries like the US who use punitive actions and military threats to shut down Iran's civilian nuclear program violate pillar 3.
Neither do I, but one has to look at the collective opinion of the nation, and acknowledge who they think are their enemies.
I agree.
But most Iranians aren't running the country or the nuclear program.
As far as I know, they have a very low opinion of the gov't, that seems to get re-elected, regardless of that fact.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Cool a completely on topic opinion.
I agree that their theocratcic system is skewed in favor of religious zealots... just like our plutocratic system is skewed in favor of wealth. I have more confidence Iranians will revolt against their system before we revolt against ours...
Iran's civilian nuclear program is a source of national pride. No one will take this away from them, although most are willing to forego nuclear weapons. Popular opinion could change if Iran was attacked...
EAO, I've noticed that the two posts that I pointed out to you, that contained attacks, have not yet been neg rep'd.
I'm beginning to think your claim is disingenuous, and you will only attack those with whom you hold a grudge.
But since you acknowledge that the Iranian gov't are zealots, you must also acknowledge that they see Israel as the enemy.
That combination isn't a healthy one.
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As I thought, your claims were false. You simply want to dictate to the members here, for your own benefit. While pretending to actually want to make the place better for everyone.
I gave you and your claims a chance. You are the harbinger of your own undoing.
I'm beginning to think your claim is disingenuous, and you will only attack those with whom you hold a grudge.
I have no issues with a nation trying to achieve something that will benefit their respective nation, peaceably.
But since you acknowledge that the Iranian gov't are zealots, you must also acknowledge that they see Israel as the enemy.
That combination isn't a healthy one.
Last I heard, 51% were for it.
Post #1631297 - Re: Iran's Nuclear Program Bad earth_as_one
As I thought, your claims were false. You simply want to dictate to the members here, for your own benefit. While pretending to actually want to make the place better for everyone.
I gave you and your claims a chance. You are the harbinger of your own undoing.
I recognize that both sides are mutually hostile and that both sides screw with each other.
But Israel can't legitimately criticize any part of Iran's nuclear program until it becomes more clandestine than Israel's nuclear program. When was the last time the IAEA inspected an Israeli nuclear site?
But Israel can't legitimately criticize any part of Iran's nuclear program until it becomes more clandestine than Israel's nuclear program. When was the last time the IAEA inspected an Israeli nuclear site?
I wouldn't look there. Way too much govt propaganda influencing that collective opinion, here and there.
Neither are most westerners.
Sounds familiar, you must be talking about Canada, Britain and the US
But 3 rights do make a left!
But you place a greater standard on only one side.
Why?
That would explain why your posts come off as poorly informed.
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Now another red- I am not the only one that has this opinion of your OP<s - Perhaps a thread asking Members to rate your threads.
Guess you do not see the reality of what happens when they go nuke- Israel is not a signatory to the NPT- Iran is. Any more UFI coming.
Yeah, and we signed the Kyoto Accord. Documents such as Kyoto and the NPT are worth slightly less than used toilet paper when it comes to the rights of a sovereign nation.
Are you dictating what a sovereign nation can or can not collectively agree to?
Sort of flies in the face of...
And if I may use your own words on the matter. If a nation wants to sign onto an international treaty and accept the obligations and penalties, I say they have the right and if you or the PM or the Prez don't like it well you can all go f*ck a goat, its not your country and not your decision or your right to tell another nation what to do.
You bring up that Israel isn't a signatory to the NPT. Well there are lots of countries that are signatories that continue with nuclear weapon proliferation. The treaty doesn't mean sh*t to anyone, they all do what they want.
Am I wrong in recalling some Iranian leaders shouting Death to Israel?
If right this in itself would be reason to stop any nuke program.
If right this in itself would be reason to stop any nuke program.
EAO has deemed that claim to be fraudulent.
Even though it was originally reported in that context on the Official Iranian Gov'ts webpage. As well as confirmed by Iranian members of the press.
They can agree or not agree to whatever they want.
They can sign or not sign, I don't care.
What I am saying is that there are lots of countries that do sign such treaties and then ignore them, such as Canada with Kyoto and the US with the NPT.
It's like a politically correct racist, they may say 'African-American' but they still believe N*%%#r.
That's not what you said...
That says nothing about ignoring the obligations of the treaties. It comes off as you believe those treaties infringe on the sovereignty of the signatory nations.
It's more like someone who has far too many jello like standards trying to sound like they know what they're talking about.