High stakes rest on pipeline rumble between B.C., Alberta

petros

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"MP Elizabeth May, the Green Party leader, said the emphasis on an independent, science-based decision is an “about-face” for Harper.

“It’s the first time he’s said it,” she told CBC-TV. May said Harper’s latest stance sounds like a “political dodge” to help Clark, an ally of the federal Conservatives who is facing a tough re-election fight next spring"
Come on May. Are you off your Zoloft? Bull****ting isnt going to get you anywhere. She worked for Enviro Can until she went nuts and know how it all works and knows full well the PM didn't have to "say" anything and has nothing to do with that idiot Clark.
 

taxslave

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Unlike the greenies Harper has always had our economic interests at heart. That is why he has been pushing for NG. If the environmental assessment should prove the risks to be too high then it will not go through. Then it will be up to the iol industry to come up with a different plan. But we can't let a few loudmouths that don't even live in the area and many that are not even Canadians derail a vital economic link just because they don't want us to be working. Or like the US protesters that are being paid to kill this project so that the US will have control over our oil as the sole market.
 

BruSan

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I sit here in my Ontario living room and reminicse about the more recent history of this country involving statements issuing forth from western provinces regarding seceding from the confederation over the fact that "those eastern b**tards have always screwed us over". Hellllooooo????

If this is an example how the "western" provinces would co-operate as a separate entity; gotta say it, lawyers are going to be making out like bandits billing for all those "decree nici" to and fro's between just the two of you.

A simple little thing like one premiere's descent in the polls and her grasping for whatever lifeline she thinks might regain some electorate traction results in the "family" moving into separate rooms.

Alberta; what have you been watching over the last bunch of decades as typical British Columbia behaviour?

I lived there in the early sixties when two things hit the scene almost simultaneously: the Chargex card and snowmobiles! Living on Vancouver Island in the Esquimalt area at the time, which typically get's about 2 weeks of winter that might involve an inch or two of snow at best, every idiot out there just had to use their brand new Chargex card to buy a "yellow peril" and park it on the front yard grass of their little bungalow. Those things became lawn ornaments and "planters" to sit there like great yellow index fingers all pointing at the occupants of the houses declaring; "look at me, see how stupid I am"!

That little indicator of abherrant behaviour should have spoken volumes to everyong within "spitt'n distance" of the nature of the flakes residing west of the Roger's Pass.

Treaties have existed for eon's dictating the inter-provincial movement of commerce for everything and tvia everything from seaports to highways and for this bimbo to try to exact coinage while colouring it an "ecological indemnification" is another example of the thought process indemnic in the B.C psyche.

B.C. Did you really think you were dealing with a bunch of inbred country hicks who would simply roll over for your demand of "bribery". These folks have stage coaches in their history. Did it not occur to any of you living in your floating houses that they might take unkindly towards you "holding them up" and if there is one thing you can take to the bank about Abertans it's their elephant-like memory for all things they interpret as contrary to their well being. They will neither forget nor forgive you allowing the "bimbo in the room" to try and take their wallet without delivering on the earlier promise of the evening downstairs in the bar.

I do believe those of us east of St.Boniface will enjoy sitting in the courtroom getting to listen to all of the "she said, she said! That was arguably the shortest marriage in the history of the nuptials.
 

beaker

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Come on May. Are you off your Zoloft? Bull****ting isnt going to get you anywhere. She worked for Enviro Can until she went nuts and know how it all works and knows full well the PM didn't have to "say" anything and has nothing to do with that idiot Clark.

So then, it is Mays comments that strike the cord deepest. :) I'm not surprised, I am impressed with her acuity. These two political entities, the fed Conservative/alliance/reform, and the provincial Liberal/conservative/socreds have been buddies for a long time. This is why ex-Premier Cambell got a nice job in London England. I take it then we can be assured that Harpers comments don't even make it as window dressing, Again I'm not surprised. Anyone surprised?
 

petros

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She is only blowing sunshine up her own ass, which in her case living on the coast would be an enema because it 's not al that sunny.
 

Trex

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How ya lik'n us now?

I sit here in my Ontario living room and reminicse about the more recent history of this country involving statements issuing forth from western provinces regarding seceding from the confederation over the fact that "those eastern b**tards have always screwed us over". Hellllooooo????

If this is an example how the "western" provinces would co-operate as a separate entity; gotta say it, lawyers are going to be making out like bandits billing for all those "decree nici" to and fro's between just the two of you.

A simple little thing like one premiere's descent in the polls and her grasping for whatever lifeline she thinks might regain some electorate traction results in the "family" moving into separate rooms.

Alberta; what have you been watching over the last bunch of decades as typical British Columbia behaviour?

I lived there in the early sixties when two things hit the scene almost simultaneously: the Chargex card and snowmobiles! Living on Vancouver Island in the Esquimalt area at the time, which typically get's about 2 weeks of winter that might involve an inch or two of snow at best, every idiot out there just had to use their brand new Chargex card to buy a "yellow peril" and park it on the front yard grass of their little bungalow. Those things became lawn ornaments and "planters" to sit there like great yellow index fingers all pointing at the occupants of the houses declaring; "look at me, see how stupid I am"!

That little indicator of abherrant behaviour should have spoken volumes to everyong within "spitt'n distance" of the nature of the flakes residing west of the Roger's Pass.

Treaties have existed for eon's dictating the inter-provincial movement of commerce for everything and tvia everything from seaports to highways and for this bimbo to try to exact coinage while colouring it an "ecological indemnification" is another example of the thought process indemnic in the B.C psyche.

B.C. Did you really think you were dealing with a bunch of inbred country hicks who would simply roll over for your demand of "bribery". These folks have stage coaches in their history. Did it not occur to any of you living in your floating houses that they might take unkindly towards you "holding them up" and if there is one thing you can take to the bank about Abertans it's their elephant-like memory for all things they interpret as contrary to their well being. They will neither forget nor forgive you allowing the "bimbo in the room" to try and take their wallet without delivering on the earlier promise of the evening downstairs in the bar.

I do believe those of us east of St.Boniface will enjoy sitting in the courtroom getting to listen to all of the "she said, she said! That was arguably the shortest marriage in the history of the nuptials.

Pretty humerous rant.
And with more than a grain of truth to it.

As someone who was born on Van Isle and has lived on the BC mainland, Alberta (both Calgary and Edmonton) and Ontario and worked in every province excepting PEI, NB and Quebec I have to say BruSan may be closer to the truth than most of us are comfortable with.
The cold hard truth is that the BC hillbillies and anti- development me firsters are far more prevelent in BC than the much publicized ignorant "rednecks" of Alberta.
In todays morning paper (Victoria) I just finished reading an editorial by a reporter who just travelled out of BC and was amazed at the attitudes of folks outside of BC.
He claims it was the first time he had ever heard of the "BC = Bring Cash" line.
I first heard it about 15 years ago.
I guess he has not as yet heard the line: "BC is like a big old bowl of cereal; what isnt a fruit or a nut is flake"
I dont agree with these two cheezy sayings but I do understand how they came to be.

I spent years working in India and without being too sterotypical I did notice a few things about doing business in India.
Some of the folks in India I encountered spent an awful lot of time complaining about others who were successful.
More time in fact than they themselves spent in trying to become successful in turn.
Trying to tear down or take advantage of others was at times preferable to just working hard and hoping for the best.
And the results are seen in a radically underperforming Indian business economy.

Canadians should probably try to avoid making similar mistakes.
 

petros

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How much of the goods exported from BC come from BC and how heavily do the 42,000+ port jobs rely on goods exported from other provinces?
 

beaker

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Pretty humerous rant.
And with more than a grain of truth to it.

As someone who was born on Van Isle and has lived on the BC mainland, Alberta (both Calgary and Edmonton) and Ontario and worked in every province excepting PEI, NB and Quebec I have to say BruSan may be closer to the truth than most of us are comfortable with.
The cold hard truth is that the BC hillbillies and anti- development me firsters are far more prevelent in BC than the much publicized ignorant "rednecks" of Alberta.
In todays morning paper (Victoria) I just finished reading an editorial by a reporter who just travelled out of BC and was amazed at the attitudes of folks outside of BC.
He claims it was the first time he had ever heard of the "BC = Bring Cash" line.
I first heard it about 15 years ago.
I guess he has not as yet heard the line: "BC is like a big old bowl of cereal; what isnt a fruit or a nut is flake"
I dont agree with these two cheezy sayings but I do understand how they came to be.

I spent years working in India and without being too sterotypical I did notice a few things about doing business in India.
Some of the folks in India I encountered spent an awful lot of time complaining about others who were successful.
More time in fact than they themselves spent in trying to become successful in turn.
Trying to tear down or take advantage of others was at times preferable to just working hard and hoping for the best.
And the results are seen in a radically underperforming Indian business economy.

Canadians should probably try to avoid making similar mistakes.


There are a lot of mistakes made around the world, and it would be great to try to avoid making them. Like avoid overusing our natural resources, avoid having to get militaristic in order to steal from others, avoid the trap of spending money we ain't got, (with apologies to stompin tom), avoid spoiling our own nest, Earth, with pollution. A radically underperforming business economy might be just what the doctor ordered.
 

skookumchuck

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How ya lik'n us now?

I sit here in my Ontario living room and reminicse about the more recent history of this country involving statements issuing forth from western provinces regarding seceding from the confederation over the fact that "those eastern b**tards have always screwed us over". Hellllooooo????

If this is an example how the "western" provinces would co-operate as a separate entity; gotta say it, lawyers are going to be making out like bandits billing for all those "decree nici" to and fro's between just the two of you.

A simple little thing like one premiere's descent in the polls and her grasping for whatever lifeline she thinks might regain some electorate traction results in the "family" moving into separate rooms.

Alberta; what have you been watching over the last bunch of decades as typical British Columbia behaviour?

I lived there in the early sixties when two things hit the scene almost simultaneously: the Chargex card and snowmobiles! Living on Vancouver Island in the Esquimalt area at the time, which typically get's about 2 weeks of winter that might involve an inch or two of snow at best, every idiot out there just had to use their brand new Chargex card to buy a "yellow peril" and park it on the front yard grass of their little bungalow. Those things became lawn ornaments and "planters" to sit there like great yellow index fingers all pointing at the occupants of the houses declaring; "look at me, see how stupid I am"!

That little indicator of abherrant behaviour should have spoken volumes to everyong within "spitt'n distance" of the nature of the flakes residing west of the Roger's Pass.

Treaties have existed for eon's dictating the inter-provincial movement of commerce for everything and tvia everything from seaports to highways and for this bimbo to try to exact coinage while colouring it an "ecological indemnification" is another example of the thought process indemnic in the B.C psyche.

B.C. Did you really think you were dealing with a bunch of inbred country hicks who would simply roll over for your demand of "bribery". These folks have stage coaches in their history. Did it not occur to any of you living in your floating houses that they might take unkindly towards you "holding them up" and if there is one thing you can take to the bank about Abertans it's their elephant-like memory for all things they interpret as contrary to their well being. They will neither forget nor forgive you allowing the "bimbo in the room" to try and take their wallet without delivering on the earlier promise of the evening downstairs in the bar.

I do believe those of us east of St.Boniface will enjoy sitting in the courtroom getting to listen to all of the "she said, she said! That was arguably the shortest marriage in the history of the nuptials.

You were doing not bad until you used the example of snowmobiles to slag BCers. You apparently do not know as much about the Island as you would like us to believe. Snowmobiling goes on in the mountains for 6 months of the year and is as good or better than anywhere in the country.
I guess i could say the same about downhill Ski racks on vehicles from "Armpit Manitoba" or "Flatcat Saskatchewan", or perhaps the number of 24-30 ft boats in Alberta driveways.:roll:
 

beaker

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High stakes implies a poker game, a horse race, the drive to get Americans interested in Hockey by subsidzing the American teams. A gamble in short. But this is bigger than that. Each step in the process is an opportunity to back away from a really serious mistake. A west coast port shipping bitumen to Las Angeles, or Shanghai is just a bad spill waiting to happen. It would be an abdication of our responsibilities to our grandkids to manage our resources for their benefit. And it would be a debt that we would pass on to them, for the benefit of the corporations that are pushing this latest boom.

What we need to do is check out how well off we already are and ask ourselves whether enough isn't enough.
 

BruSan

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You were doing not bad until you used the example of snowmobiles to slag BCers. You apparently do not know as much about the Island as you would like us to believe. Snowmobiling goes on in the mountains for 6 months of the year and is as good or better than anywhere in the country.
I guess i could say the same about downhill Ski racks on vehicles from "Armpit Manitoba" or "Flatcat Saskatchewan", or perhaps the number of 24-30 ft boats in Alberta driveways.:roll:

I believe you missed the point of my post as being; a long time ago giving an early indication of what was to come.

I was doing great until you missed that part of my post where I described the area as "Esquimalt". No snow to speak of for any sustainable period of enjoying a snomobile in the mid sixties with trailers for towing the things not being popular yet at all. The other consideration is; when it snowed in Victoria, the roads became impossible to navigate for all the buses and people stuck spinning their wheels in an inch of snow fer *****sake! If you had a snowmobile AND a trailer back then, odds were you couldn't get out of the Victoria area anyway due to the stalled traffic all over the place. The weather patterns for the lower Island back then were typical by winter being defined by: "instead of looking through the daily rain to see the sun you looked through a mild sleet to see overcast".

Nope; you cannot say the same about all those items in other provinces and link them to the time period I was very specific about. Especially the use of the chargex card to buy them.

They would wake all the sailors with induction numbers from points east of B.C. to perform on-watch driver's duties from either HMCS Naden or the dockyard because they could navigate around all the stalled vehicles if they got dumped on with just an inch of snow or frozen sleet.. I still chuckle about that today.

Pretty humerous rant.
And with more than a grain of truth to it.

As someone who was born on Van Isle and has lived on the BC mainland, Alberta (both Calgary and Edmonton) and Ontario and worked in every province excepting PEI, NB and Quebec I have to say BruSan may be closer to the truth than most of us are comfortable with.
The cold hard truth is that the BC hillbillies and anti- development me firsters are far more prevelent in BC than the much publicized ignorant "rednecks" of Alberta.
In todays morning paper (Victoria) I just finished reading an editorial by a reporter who just travelled out of BC and was amazed at the attitudes of folks outside of BC.
He claims it was the first time he had ever heard of the "BC = Bring Cash" line.
I first heard it about 15 years ago.
I guess he has not as yet heard the line: "BC is like a big old bowl of cereal; what isnt a fruit or a nut is flake"
I dont agree with these two cheezy sayings but I do understand how they came to be.

I spent years working in India and without being too sterotypical I did notice a few things about doing business in India.
Some of the folks in India I encountered spent an awful lot of time complaining about others who were successful.
More time in fact than they themselves spent in trying to become successful in turn.
Trying to tear down or take advantage of others was at times preferable to just working hard and hoping for the best.
And the results are seen in a radically underperforming Indian business economy.

Canadians should probably try to avoid making similar mistakes.

I got another rude awakening upon an RV trip to tour throughout the BC mainland and Island again a few years back. You can imagine my surprise rounding the last bend in the road to Lake Louise to see that beautiful old stone hotel covered in PINK STUCCO. Trying to park the unit pictured in my avatar at 66' feet long in one of their parking lots with a kajillion orientals from the multitude of tour buses all wandering around was somewhat trying as well. I had used the air horns on my truck perhaps three times in the three previous years of usage but had to "lean on them" to keep those stupid people from walking behind me while backing up.

This country has some challenges ahead of it as the flavour of the month is now oil resource and phosphates whereas past history was perhaps lumber pulp and paper or coal and wheat. We will endure if all parties at the table use even a modicum of common sense and take lessons from past screw-ups.