Man hires rapist for his wife

[SLM]

If my wife and I set up a fantasy role playing game where I pretend to rape her it is not a crime. As far as the knuckleheads were concerned it was consensual. They were victims also. stupid moron victims, but still victims of a crime. Had they known different then I could see the argument, but they didn't.

I get what you are saying,I still would not go so far as to call them victims. That implies an innocence that they do not deserve. They came back a second night after she fired a gun at them the first night. At what point does someone with even a modicum of intelligence begin to think that perhaps she hasn't consented? I'm assuming they were both walking upright, since they showed up at her door, so clearly they had a bit more intelligence than an inanimate object.

Change the crime from rape to anything else, they still wouldn't be victims as far as I'm concerned. You can't be innocent of doing something that is against the law simply because someone tells you it's ok.

Also, in the reverse scenario you mentioned earlier where it was a woman who was duped in a similar fashion, she's would also not be a victim in my book.

 

[spaminator]

I don't get how anyone could fantasize about rape let alone role play rape. I guess i'm behind the times.

 

[SLM]

I don't get how anyone could fantasize about rape let alone role play rape. I guess i'm behind the times.

I don't understand it either.

I have never, no will I ever have a rape fantasy but, for the sake of argument, if I did, the ironic thing is that the only man I would ever trust in that situation would be someone who would never do that in the first place.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I get what you are saying,I still would not go so far as to call them victims. That implies an innocence that they do not deserve. They came back a second night after she fired a gun at them the first night. At what point does someone with even a modicum of intelligence begin to think that perhaps she hasn't consented? I'm assuming they were both walking upright, since they showed up at her door, so clearly they had a bit more intelligence than an inanimate object.

Change the crime from rape to anything else, they still wouldn't be victims as far as I'm concerned. You can't be innocent of doing something that is against the law simply because someone tells you it's ok.

Also, in the reverse scenario you mentioned earlier where it was a woman who was duped in a similar fashion, she's would also not be a victim in my book.

I'm not rating their IQ.

Perhaps I didn't read the news piece correctly. It was my understanding that these were two different men.

 

[karrie]

If you havent assured identity and consent to the 'game' then you're at fault, plain and simple

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

If you havent assured identity and consent to the 'game' then you're at fault, plain and simple

So a girl who wears clothes that are provocative, gets drunk to the point of blackout and gets gang raped is at fault plain and simple?

This thread smells of double standard.

 

[petros]

Some people have IQs lower than their B.A.C.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Some people have IQs lower than their B.A.C.

Quite true, but that does not make them any less of a victim when they are set up with bad information.

 

[petros]

Quite true, but that does not make them any less of a victim when they are set up with bad information.

At least nobody got shot.

 

[JLM]

At least nobody got shot.

The guy had no lead in his "pencil"?

 

[gerryh]

Wow, I'm agreeing with Mark almost completely. The only part I disagree with is "Certainly the behavior could be considered fool-hardy, and it certainly is, but so is going to a sex club ", but that would be for another discussion and more education on his part.

Rape fantasy's are not all that uncommon. Karrie, I am surprised and disappointed in your reaction. Craigs list and any number of online sex groups have numerous ads for couples, or singles, looking to fulfull fantasy's. These men were duped, plain and simple. To put ANY fault at their feet is no different than blaming a woman for getting raped because of what she wore....OR...... how about blaming a woman for being raped because she was involved in the swinging lifestyle.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Wow, I'm agreeing with Mark almost completely. The only part I disagree with is "Certainly the behavior could be considered fool-hardy, and it certainly is, but so is going to a sex club ", but that would be for another discussion and more education on his part.

Actually, just to clarify what I meant when I said "so is going to a sex club" is that there is a level of risk in an act outside the realm of a mutually monogamous relationship. We take risks interacting on a web forum. When you engage in chatting. No matter the level of risk, the fact remains that does not disqualify you from being labeled a victim just because you might have placed your safety in jeopardy only to be taken advantage of by a stranger.

Oh and thanks Gerry. I'm glad you see the point I am making about double standards.

 

[earth_as_one]

Migawd! Hell hath froze over! I agree with everything EAO just posted!


Hmmm.... s'pose the Leafs have a chance?

I think the reason we agree is that we were both able to identify the victim as a human being. Other people here saw a$lut who got what she deserved or some other similar warped perception of women which interfered with them being able to identify a fellow human being as a victim. Since we don't share their prejudices about women, we had no trouble identifying the victim.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I think the reason we agree is that we were both able to identify the victim as a human being. Other people here saw a$lut who got what she deserved or some other similar warped perception of women which interfered with them being able to identify a fellow human being as a victim. Since we don't share their prejudices about women, we had no trouble identifying the victim.

By the way Lone Wolf. In regard to EAO's now trimmed post...

I believe the Puppy Mill thread along with the Paul Watson is an A-hole thread have come out of this unscathed, which works into my point out about geopolitics and how the affect Grill Cheese Sandwiches which is loosely related to cows farting because of the dairy aspect which pushes us into the whole Global Warming Hoax that was perpetrated by a Zionist plot to take over Hollywood in order to further the agenda of getting rid of the word beaver and replacing it with the term vagina squirrel which is clearly less exploitative and speaking of exploitation, what are your views on pornography when it comes to pelicans and goats?

 

[karrie]

So a girl who wears clothes that are provocative, gets drunk to the point of blackout and gets gang raped is at fault plain and simple?

This thread smells of double standard.

Obviously she didn't give consent. I don't get how you infer that from what I said about making SURE you have consent to play.

Wow, I'm agreeing with Mark almost completely. The only part I disagree with is "Certainly the behavior could be considered fool-hardy, and it certainly is, but so is going to a sex club ", but that would be for another discussion and more education on his part.

Rape fantasy's are not all that uncommon. Karrie, I am surprised and disappointed in your reaction. Craigs list and any number of online sex groups have numerous ads for couples, or singles, looking to fulfull fantasy's. These men were duped, plain and simple. To put ANY fault at their feet is no different than blaming a woman for getting raped because of what she wore....OR...... how about blaming a woman for being raped because she was involved in the swinging lifestyle.

You know as well as I do that alternative lifestyles still come with rules for appropriate behaviour. Those rules are to protect everyone involved. You make sure that the people you're playing with are consenting to what's going on. It's why lifestyle clubs have rules for making sure both spouses are aware of what kind of club they're entering, and often even entrance interviews to make sure no one is there against their will.

Rape fantasies are not uncommon. But, until you ensure that the person is ACTUALLY a willing participant, it's not a fantasy, it's simply rape.

 

[L Gilbert]

"Idaho man accused of advertising on Craigslist to rape wife"

Dingbats are profuse.

Um, BTW, the article didn't say she answered the door at 2 AM. It said the police got a report of a disturbance at 2 AM.

But, yeah, seems that intelligence isn't a factor here.

 

[karrie]

The long and short of it is, no matter the scenario, saying 'I had gotten the impression she wanted me to do this to her', is no legal defense, in this scenario, in that of a lifestyler, in that of a woman drunk in the bar in a dress that's too short. If you can be mistaken about consent, then you're treading on very dangerous ground, and the world is not likely to be sympathetic to your pleas of innocence.

 

[L Gilbert]

The long and short of it is, no matter the scenario, saying 'I had gotten the impression she wanted me to do this to her', is no legal defense, in this scenario, in that of a lifestyler, in that of a woman drunk in the bar in a dress that's too short. If you can be mistaken about consent, then you're treading on very dangerous ground, and the world is not likely to be sympathetic to your pleas of innocence.

Yeah. If in doubt, don't do it. Got another cliche, too; better safe than sorry.