A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths

[CDNBear]

Well, how about you post the stats you have, because the stats I found for homicide rates are 4.8 for the u.s. and .36 for Japan and just under 2 for Canada. Looks to me like the american gun culture doesn't lend well for homicides compared to a lot of other countries.

Yep, the stats are low.

Now take a close look at sentencing and the big bad boogiesentence, capital punishment.

And that doesn't even scratch the surface of a culture of "Honour". That simply makes American jingoism, and Nationalism look like amateur hour at the Apollo.

 

[earth_as_one]

When I was in Tokyo, I saw thousands of bikes parked outside offices. Almost none had locks. Also umbrellas were everywhere and you could take one on the honor system that you would bring it back.

 

[skookumchuck]

What part of an intelligent post is a problem for you? You original post made no sense as it was a complete non sequitur. I was merely asking for clarification.

Ok, seems you need clarification regarding the seldom reported penchant of the Yakuza in concert with Japans notoriously corrupt national police force to cause death by other than firearms.

Your agenda of banning firearms and using Japan as an example assumes we should totally (can't leave any out just in case) adopt their customs?
Would that include the near impossibility of becoming a citizen unless you have proven Japanese blood which is the norm there.
IMO that scenario begs the question....... what do you think our firearms crime stats may be, for example, if this country was populated ONLY by the descendents of several thousand generations of ONE race? Would you like to pick the race, do you feel lucky?

If you really think that banning firearms is the solution i feel sorry for you, given your lack of knowledge and insight.

You wish to talk about non sequiturs, but i would say disingenuous and opportunistic fits your post very well.

 

[CDNBear]

Bazinga!!!

 

[gerryh]

Yep, the stats are low.

Now take a close look at sentencing and the big bad boogiesentence, capital punishment.

And that doesn't even scratch the surface of a culture of "Honour". That simply makes American jingoism, and Nationalism look like amateur hour at the Apollo.

I would say that the culture has far more to do with it then the sentencing. That being said, Canadian murder rates are half of the american rates. Biggest difference between here and there, is that access to guns are more restricted here than there.

 

[CDNBear]

I would say that the culture has far more to do with it then the sentencing. That being said, Canadian murder rates are half of the american rates. Biggest difference between here and there, is that access to guns are more restricted here than there.

And the fact that we have the population of the state of New York, helps.

 

[Goober]

And the fact that we have the population of the state of New York, helps.

What are the murder rates in Canada, using a gun by 1st time offenders. How many are crime related- gangs - organized crime.

Recall the Gang War in Quebec between the Hells Angels and the Rock Machine-

 

[gerryh]

Ok, seems you need clarification regarding the seldom reported penchant of the Yakuza in concert with Japans notoriously corrupt national police force to cause death by other than firearms.

Your agenda of banning firearms and using Japan as an example assumes we should totally (can't leave any out just in case) adopt their customs?
Would that include the near impossibility of becoming a citizen unless you have proven Japanese blood which is the norm there.
IMO that scenario begs the question....... what do you think our firearms crime stats may be, for example, if this country was populated ONLY by the descendents of several thousand generations of ONE race? Would you like to pick the race, do you feel lucky?

If you really think that banning firearms is the solution i feel sorry for you, given your lack of knowledge and insight.

You wish to talk about non sequiturs, but i would say disingenuous and opportunistic fits your post very well.

Well then, why don't we take a look at any number of other countries in the world that has restrictions on private ownership and significantly lower homicide rates. You don't like Japan as an example, then there are numerous examples besides Japan. How about Spain? Or is that another "race" example?

 

[CDNBear]

Well then, why don't we take a look at any number of other countries in the world that has restrictions on private ownership and significantly lower homicide rates. You don't like Japan as an example, then there are numerous examples besides Japan. How about Spain? Or is that another "race" example?

The basis of this anti gun topic is Japan.

We already have a myriad of anti gun threads.

 

[gerryh]

And the fact that we have the population of the state of New York, helps.

We are talking per 100,000 so it really doesn't matter about population. But, if that's what you're going to hang your hat on, how about England. Fairly high population density and restrictive gun laws and significantly lower homicide rates.

We already have a myriad of anti gun threads.

Actually, no we don't. There are many old threads, or are you suggesting that no new threads be started if a topic has already had a thread started at some point. If that's the case, then pretty much every thread posted in the last year should not have been posted and we should just resurrect necro threads.

 

[CDNBear]

We are talking per 100,000 so it really doesn't matter about population.

Ya, that's the problem with stats, they're sterile and don't take into consideration socio/economic constructs.

We can trade stats and debate the validity of them until the cows come home. As an effort in futility.

Japan has the death penalty, oft severe sentencing (Something the CPC has been railed for attempting), and a completely different culture altogether. That doesn't even touch on the impact that the Yakuza has on an ineffectual law enforcement as Skook pointed out.

I get it, guns bad.

I disagree. You don't.

 

[gerryh]

Ya, that's the problem with stats, they're sterile and don't take into consideration socio/economic constructs.

We can trade stats and debate the validity of them until the cows come home. As an effort in futility.

japan has the death penalty, oft severe sentencing, and a completely different culture altogether. That doesn't even touch on the impact that the Yakuza has law enforcement as Skook pointed out.

I get it, guns bad.

I disagree. You don't.

Like I said, don't like Japan as an example, then there are lots of other examples of countries with restrictive gun laws and lower homicide rates.

 

[CDNBear]

Like I said, don't like Japan as an example, then there are lots of other examples of countries with restrictive gun laws and lower homicide rates.

Oh I actually love Japan as an example.

But for completely different reasons.

It flies in the face of the outcries of so many of the Usual Supects, lol.

 

[skookumchuck]

Well then, why don't we take a look at any number of other countries in the world that has restrictions on private ownership and significantly lower homicide rates. You don't like Japan as an example, then there are numerous examples besides Japan. How about Spain? Or is that another "race" example?

Until i see solid facts and stats showing the average non criminal and properly licensed Canadian committing the majority (hell even 10%) of firearms crimes, i see no intelligent reason to ban firearms ownership.
Linked from National Post.......

The Redwing Report: The gun-control lobby's statistical black hole



"Gary Mauser, an emeritus professor at the Institute for Canadian Urban Research Studies at Simon Fraser University in Burnaby, B.C., and one of the country's leading firearms researchers, has done his best to piece together some sort of statistical analysis of firearms crime and licenced gun owners. Using Library of Parliament data and raw StatsCan crime numbers, Prof. Mauser believes about 3% of murders committed in Canada since the registry opened in 1998 have been committed by licenced gun owners using firearms, registered or not - this despite the fact that at least 8% of Canadians own firearms. Prof. Mauser calculates that this works out to a rate of 0.38 murders per 100,000 licensed gun owners versus a murder rate of 1.85 per 100,000 - nearly five times higher - for the population as a whole."

Hmmm, same rate as Japan for licensed gun owners.

 

[WLDB]

Now take a close look at sentencing and the big bad boogiesentence, capital punishment.

True, but executions lately have been few and far between. I read an article a few months ago saying their Justice Minister was looking into getting rid of it but was having problems has the vast majority of the population is in favour of keeping it. Japanese death row isnt quite as nice as the US one though. The condemned generally doesnt know the date of their execution til it is the day of execution.

 

[gerryh]

"Gary Mauser, an emeritus professor at the Institute for Canadian Urban Research Studies at Simon Fraser University in Burnaby, B.C., and one of the country's leading firearms researchers, has done his best to piece together some sort of statistical analysis of firearms crime and licenced gun owners. Using Library of Parliament data and raw StatsCan crime numbers, Prof. Mauser believes about 3% of murders committed in Canada since the registry opened in 1998 have been committed by licenced gun owners using firearms, registered or not - this despite the fact that at least 8% of Canadians own firearms. Prof. Mauser calculates that this works out to a rate of 0.38 murders per 100,000 licensed gun owners versus a murder rate of 1.85 per 100,000 - nearly five times higher - for the population as a whole."

Hmmm, same rate as Japan for licensed gun owners.

and using your reasoning, that .38 wouldn't have happened if those "legal" gun owners didn't have the guns.

 

[WLDB]

Until i see solid facts and stats showing the average non criminal and properly licensed Canadian committing the majority (hell even 10%) of firearms crimes, i see no intelligent reason to ban firearms ownership.
Linked from National Post.......

Nor I. I'm not a fan of guns but I understand that some are. Instead there are just certain types of guns I'd like to be banned. Automatic weapons for one.

 

[Goober]

and using your reasoning, that .38 wouldn't have happened if those "legal" gun owners didn't have the guns.

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So should Gun ownership in illegal in Canada?

 

[CDNBear]

True, but executions lately have been few and far between. I read an article a few months ago saying their Justice Minister was looking into getting rid of it but was having problems has the vast majority of the population is in favour of keeping it.

What does that tell you?

I think it's sitting around an 80% approval rating.

Japanese death row isnt quite as nice as the US one though. The condemned generally doesnt know the date of their execution til it is the day of execution.

Japan is a whole other world compared to the west.

 

[gerryh]

So should Gun ownership in illegal in Canada?

My opinion, more restrictions. I see no reason what so ever for the average citizen to own a hand gun. Hunting rifles and shotguns, fine (licensed) anything else, no need.