Nunavut families to protest high food costs where whole chicken costs $65

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Cheaper to still fly it in.

There's a windmill at Rankin,it rarely spins,a greenhouse would need to be blacked out during the night as plants dont do very well in 24 hour sunlight.
Geo thermal would be a challenge because of permafrost.
Diesel runs the Arctic,the biggest problem is logistics and the fact that most small hamlets and communities have one store in the town,in Baker lake it's the northern store,you buy everything from food to your next truck there.
It's a huge monopoly and there is no competition.
In 2007 Baker lake Northern store was outfitting over 40 exploration camps,this left the store shelves empty everywhere.


So what you're really saying is that the mining camps don't look after themselves, they take the food meant for the locals.
 

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So what you're really saying is that the mining camps don't look after themselves, they take the food meant for the locals.
There's no rations,he with the most money cleans the shelves the fastest.

Quit trying to put words in my mouth,if you dont understand what I'm trying to say then just say so ok?

I can dumb it down for you if you want.
 

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A 3 hour round trip to our camp last year from YK was over $20,000 for a c130 herc.
Thats a fuel bladder of 22,000 liters or 109 drums of jet a fuel or a ****load of groceries.

Just sayin,I did a lot of logistic work in the arctic.
We got more hercs last year then most hamlets did..
Oh, I have no doubt about that. I'd just like to see the those costs compared to those of a running operation with energy supplied by other things than diesel, greenhouses growing veggies, etc.
So when the mines are taking better care of their workers then the natives in Nunavit then the govt. then there's obviously a problem.
Yep. The natives seem to have inherited a lot of problems brought on by foreign invasion. Sort of like a microcosm of North American in the late 1400s.
 

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Is there anyplace in the north that has natural gas? If so one could probably grow veggies cost effectively. Coal might also be an option. As long as the bureaucraps keep their snouts out of the project.
 

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Oh, I have no doubt about that. I'd just like to the those costs compared to those of a running operation with energy supplied by other things than diesel, greenhouses growing veggies, etc.
Yep. The natives seem to have inherited a lot of problems brought on by foreign invasion. Sort of like a microcosm of North American in the late 1400s.
Unfortunately diesel runs the arctic,shut it down and they will be living traditional ways in 48 hours.
The logistics are not that bad,the mining companies take better care of the workers then the Canadian govt. does the Inuit,and they are also more efficient at it.
So yes,still a problem that could be solved easily if the govt. did something like maybe a deep sea port?

Is there anyplace in the north that has natural gas? If so one could probably grow veggies cost effectively. Coal might also be an option. As long as the bureaucraps keep their snouts out of the project.

Permafrost and the Canadian shield,you may find a few inches of peat on the tundra but not much that resembles coal.

Still cheaper to fly **** in.

One phone call to discovery mining in YK and expediting would solve this problem,they would love to outfit all these remote communities and are very good at it.
Then theres a few in Winnipeg I dealt with for the eastern arctic,easy peasy if you know the right peeps.
You can get anything in the arctic with the right connections and the Canadian govt is not connected.
 

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Is there anyplace in the north that has natural gas? If so one could probably grow veggies cost effectively. Coal might also be an option. As long as the bureaucraps keep their snouts out of the project.

Some people tend to lump all coal together- Black anthracite is a different animal! :smile:
 

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Some people tend to lump all coal together- Black anthracite is a different animal! :smile:
I did 22 years in the elk valley coal mines,seams there were 30 meters thick,in the arctic the lignite seams were about a half inch.
You have a hard time even lighting that for a fuel source.
 

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Cheaper to still fly it in.

There's a windmill at Rankin,it rarely spins,a greenhouse would need to be blacked out during the night as plants dont do very well in 24 hour sunlight.
Geo thermal would be a challenge because of permafrost.
Diesel runs the Arctic,the biggest problem is logistics and the fact that most small hamlets and communities have one store in the town,in Baker lake it's the northern store,you buy everything from food to your next truck there.
It's a huge monopoly and there is no competition.
In 2007 Baker lake Northern store was outfitting over 40 exploration camps,this left the store shelves empty everywhere.

Solar power??

Not sure about the winter.. biomass.. hydrothermal?

 

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Solar power??

Not sure about the winter.. biomass.. hydrothermal?


Remember,the ground is frozen solid all the time,permafrost.
I'm still trying to figure out how to build my own solar panels,they would work good in the arctic for 3 months anyways.

No water table in the arctic permafrost.
 

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Is there anyplace in the north that has natural gas? If so one could probably grow veggies cost effectively. Coal might also be an option. As long as the bureaucraps keep their snouts out of the project.

Found this:
Canada is the second largest natural gas producer in the world after the United States. Proven natural gas reserves as of January 2008 were 57.9 trillion cubic feet, which represents about ten years of production at current rates (5.9 trillion cubic feet of natural gas were produced in 2007 in Canada). Natural gas is found in sedimentary basins either onshore or offshore. There are four major natural-gas–bearing sedimentary basins: the large Western Canadian Sedimentary Basin and the second-order sedimentary basins of the Canadian Beaufort Sea, Arctic Islands, Newfoundland Offshore and Scotian Shelf.
http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/maps/economic/energy/oilgas/1
LNG is cryogenic; it becomes liquid waaaay down at around - 160 Centigrade.
 

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Some people tend to lump all coal together- Black anthracite is a different animal! :smile:

Yea I thought it was obvious that I was referring to thermal coal, not coking.
I did some research years ago in Pt. Hardy to use sawmill waste to heat greenhouses so we could have decent food. I believe it would have been viable without government intrusion but I needed some crown land since that is about the only kind there. I know there is no wood fiber in the north to speak of but I don't know what else might be readily available.
It may also be possible to piggyback greenhouses onto the power generation facilities but again government intrusion would probably make it fail.
 

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Yea I thought it was obvious that I was referring to thermal coal, not coking.
I did some research years ago in Pt. Hardy to use sawmill waste to heat greenhouses so we could have decent food. I believe it would have been viable without government intrusion but I needed some crown land since that is about the only kind there. I know there is no wood fiber in the north to speak of but I don't know what else might be readily available.
It may also be possible to piggyback greenhouses onto the power generation facilities but again government intrusion would probably make it fail.
I dont want to ever see another coalmine in my life,Teck was the last straw.
They own my hometown,not me but my town,they suck!
You can fly over the arctic for 6 hours and not see a soul or any sign of life.
 

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Yea I thought it was obvious that I was referring to thermal coal, not coking.
I did some research years ago in Pt. Hardy to use sawmill waste to heat greenhouses so we could have decent food. I believe it would have been viable without government intrusion but I needed some crown land since that is about the only kind there. I know there is no wood fiber in the north to speak of but I don't know what else might be readily available.
It may also be possible to piggyback greenhouses onto the power generation facilities but again government intrusion would probably make it fail.

I know what you mean and I doubt if you'd get many B.T.U.s out of salal.
 

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I'm not very religious, however was it once said; "teach a man to fish and you will feed him for a lifetime."

Why not supply them the education, the facility and means to raise, and grow their own food??

Building infrastructure that can use geothermal and wind energy, then build indoor facilities to grow food, chickens and so on..

Just ask'in?

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Makes sense to me, in fact I brought it up a while ago...


As did I. Frying chickens take less than 60 days to reach market weight from chick.