World economies should look to Canada for success, Stephen Harper says

Niflmir

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It strikes me as the kind of stuff Ireland or Spain were saying of their economies in the first blush of the Europeanization.. only about 5 or 6 years ago.. and before the wages of monetarism, loss sovereign control of currency and credit, de-nationalization of an industrial economy started biting with avengance.

I cannot remember exactly what happened in Spain, but Ireland's problem arose when their housing bubble burst and the government increased their deficits dramatically to bail out the banks that financed the bubble. Other economies in Europe did not necessarily have the bubbles that burst in 2008, so it is not a given that it will be bad.

European problems would be ameliorated if there were Union level grants of money to struggling economies. Much like what happens with the "have-not" Canadian provinces and the Canadian Government. The free trade agreements without common taxation and reimbursement is dangerous; the trade imbalances need to be restored somehow.
 

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I know little about the policies, etc...of Europe. I'm curious though not
about the failures of Greece or Spain or Ireland though, but about the
story around Germany. What is Germany doing (& what did it do
leading up to the current) to not be in the toilet like so many other
countries in Europe at this point?
 

L Gilbert

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There are oodles of trade barriers in the EU. We have the NAALC, nothing other than criminal record and proof of a job stops you from working where you wish. Yes, a Mexican or Canadian can start a business in the US without a permit or visa and live there indefinetly. Noooo I don't mean NATO, I mean the SPP, you've heard of it haven't you?
lol

http://www.visapro.com/Immigration-Articles/?a=361&z=48

http://www.breakthroughusa.co.uk/e2-business-investor/

Loads more here: https://www.google.ca/#hl=en&gs_nf=1&cp=41&gs_id=5g&xhr=t&q=US+immigration+laws+setting+up+a+business&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=US+immigration+laws+setting+up+a+business&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=c0a71f853a7e4a00&biw=1903&bih=972

The SPP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_and_Prosperity_Partnership_of_North_America

The SPP doesn't cancel out any US immigration laws.

You don't need awork visa to work for a canadian company in the US. You need a visa to live there.
That visa to live there still is a restriction. There's no freedom of movement across the border. Get real.
 

petros

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Sorry Les......

Canadian citizens usually do not need a visa as a NAFTA Professional, although a visa can be issued to qualified TN visa applicants upon request. A Canadian citizen without a TN visa can apply at a U.S. port of entry. Learn about requirements and more on the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) website and U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) website. Canadian citizens can also review information regarding TN visas through U.S. Embassy Ottawa's website.

Visas for Mexican and Canadian NAFTA Professional Workers
 

Niflmir

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I know little about the policies, etc...of Europe. I'm curious though not
about the failures of Greece or Spain or Ireland though, but about the
story around Germany. What is Germany doing (& what did it do
leading up to the current) to not be in the toilet like so many other
countries in Europe at this point?

Trade imbalance largely. Germany has a strong manufacturing sector and exports to a lot of other countries. Their companies are also able to take consulting contracts in other nations without being excessively taxed as a foreign company. Siemens is widely despised in Greece at the moment for bribing the government into giving them excessively large contracts which they did not really deliver on.

Germany has also had a relative shortage of land, so they didn't have a housing bubble. Deutsche Bank supposedly took some rather large handouts in the US which may have allowed the German government to avoid needing to bail them out as much.
 

L Gilbert

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We are talking about economics and the suggestions that the Right Honorable Stephen Harper made to the US, Europe and Japan. You are the one moving the goal posts.
Yep.

I can assure you that you need a visa to work for a foreign company in the US for more days than would be required for a business meeting. But even if that were not the case, that is a very special exception. You, Petros, cannot legally decide to drive down to the US, circumvent the border control, and start looking for work.
Or even just beetle across the border and set up shop offering goods or services.

You, Petros, cannot sell your (for a historic example) softwood lumber to the US without fear of tariffs. This is one of the good things the Conservative government is doing for instance, is eliminating as many tariffs as possible. But they will still exist until (ideally) 2015.

Free Trade in the EU is miles and away better than anything that exists in North America. It is a single market for anybody who ratifies or joins the Treaty of Maastricht and the Treaty of Rome: i.e, any country which joins the EU. I am not talking about the currency union or Schengen for this purpose.

I haven't even touched the "streamlined" environmental review. Canada's position on anything environmental is just lamentable nowadays.
And the fact that the two dollars are about par has little to do with tariffs, US immigration laws, etc. and a whole lot to do with this: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-09/canadian-dollar-falls-to-lowest-in-a-week-as-risk-demand-wanes.html
 

Niflmir

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Sorry Les......

Canadian citizens usually do not need a visa as a NAFTA Professional, although a visa can be issued to qualified TN visa applicants upon request. A Canadian citizen without a TN visa can apply at a U.S. port of entry. Learn about requirements and more on the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) website and U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) website. Canadian citizens can also review information regarding TN visas through U.S. Embassy Ottawa's website.

Visas for Mexican and Canadian NAFTA Professional Workers

Which just says that you do not need a visa before you travel to the US: you can get one at the border. You still need a visa.

Believe me, I would be in Dallas or Phoenix or Charlotte right now if it were so easy.

Yep.

Or even just beetle across the border and set up shop offering goods or services.

And the fact that the two dollars are about par has little to do with tariffs, US immigration laws, etc. and a whole lot to do with this: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-09/canadian-dollar-falls-to-lowest-in-a-week-as-risk-demand-wanes.html

Yeah, the exchange rates are another issue to add to the mix. I still have student loans in Canada, so I feel a bit of pain with the falling ratio of Euros to loonies even as I feel a bit of pride in the loony.
 

L Gilbert

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Sorry Les......

Canadian citizens usually do not need a visa as a NAFTA Professional, although a visa can be issued to qualified TN visa applicants upon request. A Canadian citizen without a TN visa can apply at a U.S. port of entry. Learn about requirements and more on the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) website and U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) website. Canadian citizens can also review information regarding TN visas through U.S. Embassy Ottawa's website.

Visas for Mexican and Canadian NAFTA Professional Workers
Still don't get it, do you?
You still have to go through channels. You can NOT just hoof it across the border without satisfying US immigration policies.

Anyway, what I got a kick out of was Harpy's comment: "They’re weighed down by debts they can’t control, by entitlements you can no longer afford and growth that shows no signs of returning,” he said." Canadian debt is about $587 billion and still moving up at a rate of about $1000 a second. Yeah that looks like it's under control alright Stevie. Entitlements? Wanna take a look at the pension disparity between politicians and the rest of us, Stevie?
No signs of change in sight either.
 

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I know little about the policies, etc...of Europe. I'm curious though not
about the failures of Greece or Spain or Ireland though, but about the
story around Germany. What is Germany doing (& what did it do
leading up to the current) to not be in the toilet like so many other
countries in Europe at this point?

Just a wild stab in the dark, Ron, but I'm guessing a good work ethic had a bit to do with it. :smile:

Still don't get it, do you?
You still have to go through channels. You can NOT just hoof it across the border without satisfying US immigration policies.

Anyway, what I got a kick out of was Harpy's comment: "They’re weighed down by debts they can’t control, by entitlements you can no longer afford and growth that shows no signs of returning,” he said." Canadian debt is about $587 billion and still moving up at a rate of about $1000 a second. Yeah that looks like it's under control alright Stevie. Entitlements? Wanna take a look at the pension disparity between politicians and the rest of us, Stevie?
No signs of change in sight either.

That is $86,000 every day.................might be a little bit of bullsh*t there! :lol:
 

JLM

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Yikes....so per month that's $2,620,598,400 with a population of 34 million....
so that's about $77/head/month just in the increase....

Just from my own dealings with the bank, it looks like they are smartening up a tad, at one time when I went for money they were ready to lend it out by the wheel barrel load, lately it's just a bucket load! :lol:
 

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I think Harper is going to hurt himself trying to pat his own back. He should try and remember
that he inherited quite a nice surplus from the Liberals which he immediately turned into a deficit.
 

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I cannot remember exactly what happened in Spain, but Ireland's problem arose when their housing bubble burst and the government increased their deficits dramatically to bail out the banks that financed the bubble. Other economies in Europe did not necessarily have the bubbles that burst in 2008, so it is not a given that it will be bad.

European problems would be ameliorated if there were Union level grants of money to struggling economies. Much like what happens with the "have-not" Canadian provinces and the Canadian Government. The free trade agreements without common taxation and reimbursement is dangerous; the trade imbalances need to be restored somehow.
It was essentially the same. Banks overwhelmed by toxic loans from the property bubble. Much the same as everywhere else but without the economic ability to weather the storm as we and some others did.

What is interesting to consider is that Spain (and Italy will be the same, if it happens there) are not faced with the same draconian bailout conditions as Greece and Ireland. That is because they are too big to be bullied and set on the wrong course by the ideologues who control money and money policy.
 

JLM

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I think Harper is going to hurt himself trying to pat his own back. He should try and remember
that he inherited quite a nice surplus from the Liberals which he immediately turned into a deficit.

Did he inherit a surplus or did he inherit what they passed off to be a surplus funded by the provinces in the first place? :lol:
 

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Your post is either ignorant or you're making it up to be argumentative.

Get a permit and go work in the US? That is the proof that freedom of movement doesn't exist. The need to apply for permission to move and work is what defines a lack of freedom of movement.

There are no tariffs between European Union countries. That is the definition of the European Single Market. There is no question: no goods crossing European Union borders can be tariffed.

Your integrated military is nothing other than NATO (The A stands for Atlantic, not American), of which most European Countries are members to. To the exact same degree, the EU has an integrated military.

When a Mexican can walk across the border of Texas and not need to show any ID, immediately take up work as an entrepreneur, and sell his goods back to Mexico without a tariff, then you can compare the EU to that union. Until then, only the ignorant will think that Europe is a traditional economic power.

Right now, it doesn't look like the EU is a successful model. Do you think it makes sense to follow it? I tend to think rather than unions based on groups of nations, we have to look at global collaboration and standards, economically, human rights, freedoms, etc.
 

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Which just says that you do not need a visa before you travel to the US: you can get one at the border. You still need a visa.

Believe me, I would be in Dallas or Phoenix or Charlotte right now if it were so easy.



Yeah, the exchange rates are another issue to add to the mix. I still have student loans in Canada, so I feel a bit of pain with the falling ratio of Euros to loonies even as I feel a bit of pride in the loony.

Well it’s not all that hard.
You probably qualify for a US work visa without realizing it.

Any company that operates in both Canada and the US can declare you "needed" in the US.
They simply have to state that an American citizen who can step in and fill the position is not available.
Any technical specialty or management position pretty much qualifies.
After two years of residency you qualify for a green card.
I was transferred to Dallas, Texas as "management" by a technical services firm when I had just turned 30.
I decided to drop that position after getting serious pressure from Mother Corp on applying for permanent residency.

The second route is NAFTA as Petros has argued.
That too is relatively simple.
Under NAFTA almost anyone with a hard science, engineering or technical background gets a work visa.
And that’s just the undergrads.
I would think anyone in grad school would get an automatic walk.
Granted the paperwork is a bit of a chore.
But it’s just the usual bureaucratic paper game.

I ended up for a while as a "go to guy" on setting up work visas for a Canadian company sending workers south.
I learned to drop into a Canadian airport that had an American Customs office.
Try to make an advance appointment or get the agent handling the visa's in question direct phone number and extension (this is actually quite difficult to do).
Politely find out EXACTLY how they would like the paperwork handled.
Once the paperwork is tuned to what the US customs guys want to see it is a complete cakewalk.

In my case, later in life, because of my petroleum engineering background I was able to consult at will in the US under NAFTA.
The problem was the Americans wanted me to become an American.
They demanded I accept and use a green card.
Two years of that and you become one of the Borg.
I declined.
Then they hit me with a US tax-filing deadline.
That cost me a grand to file.
And I have not worked in the US since.
I just do not want to become an American.

But luckily I hold both a Canadian and a UK passport.
And just like Niflmir says I can walk into any European country at will and work anywhere I choose with absolutely no hassles or hindrances.
Once you hold a European passport the country-to-country borders and regulations over there are far more transparent than any North American ones.
In reality it is probably easier to seek employment in different European countries than it is to move from Canadian province to province seeking work.
Certainly if you are a European journeyman tradesman, doctor or dentist it is easier to move from an Euro country to country than it is for a Canadian to relocate and work in a different province.