U.S. summer a global warming preview, scientists say

[beaker]

The government's treatment of its people or the buying power of its average citizen has absolutely no bearing on the power and capabilities of a nation... in this case China.

China is a massive and powerful nation. Regardless of what they average Chinese citizen can buy at a market... his government has practically bought the United States.

I am wrong on this. I was thinking of the citizens who definitely live a third world kind of life. But you are rright, The power of the Chinese command is another matter altogether. Maybe a discussion like this would help,

Moral Responsibility of Climate Change

"The authors of the Report referred to here, believe that fair burden sharing needs to be based on a mixture of moral responsibility of climate change and some differentiated index of capability."

would be appropriate, It would take into consideration the amount of contribution to gClimate Change over the last century or so.

China bows down to nobody. Don't be fooled amigo.

You're just giving out the typical excuses set forth by the GW crowd that are supposed to explain away the reasons such a powerful nation like China is giving a "Developing Nation" status. They just put 3 Men in orbit. The US doesn't even have the capability to do that now since we've retired our Shuttle Fleet.

That is why even our liberal President won't give in on this.

China is now subject to external finacial/business pressures. If the west is serious enough to cut back on its own emmissions, and also cut back on cheap imports from China, it would give the Chinese energy industry the option on backing off.. On the other hand if we race each other to provide them with cheap energy so that we can buy their cheap products we are doing the opposite.

 

[L Gilbert]

Europe is having a cool wet summer.. after one of the most frigid winters in decades. It goes to show you how selective the 'evidence' for AGW is.

They've stopped referencing receding glaciers and polar ice.. because its become obvious none of that is happening.

lol

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

http://freepresskashmir.com/kashmirs-kolahoi-glacier-melting-fast/

They've got their slavish lap dogs in the press driving hysterical reporting on a couple of hot weeks in the summer. and will completely ignore reports that don't mesh with that thesis.

Waiting for you to come up with any of these non-meshing reports.

I can attest that the Pacific Northwest has had a cool spring, after a cold winter. They've even stopped reporting on cyclical Pacific Ocean climatological events like La nina or El nino.. hoping to ramp up fear mongering that all HOT weather in based on carbon emissions.

Warm winter here; wet spring.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2012/5

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120401135345.htm

It's really pathetic to see 'scientists' with so little integrity and respect for the scientific method and objective analysis. They are political hacks and nothing else.

roflmao And if those scientists are political hacks, then you are nothing but a shill for quackpot deniers.

Foocking hilarious.Quoting Bugs Bunny; "Ah, whatta maroon".

China has a booming economy, the second biggest in the world and will most assuredly be the first in the near future. They have a huge military and they even have a manned space program.

They are a developed nation.

They get a pass with regards to proposed GW regulations and proposed monetary fleecings because the GW Leaders know for a fact that China will never... NEVER submit to outside pressures. They are not a soft target. They cannot be shamed or scared by the GW activists.

But yet China did decide a few years back to pay attention to pollution.

http://www.chinawand.com/china-greening-and-its-meaning.html

http://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/columns/china-weekly-bulletin/5505/china-becoming-a-role-model-for-green-economic-development-5505.html

http://www.china.org.cn/environment/2010-05/06/content_19980141.htm

 

[EagleSmack]

But yet China did decide a few years back to pay attention to pollution.

http://www.chinawand.com/china-greening-and-its-meaning.html

http://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/columns/china-weekly-bulletin/5505/china-becoming-a-role-model-for-green-economic-development-5505.html

[URL="http://www.china.org.cn/environment/2010-05/06/content_19980141.htm"]http://www.china.org.cn/environment/2010-05/06/content_19980141.htm[/URL]

I know that China is doing some things. However they get Developing Nation status and that is just wrong. The US is doing some things with regards to alternative energy. Of course the US Govt. is losing tons of cash in doing so with all the bankrupt Solar companies it has invested it.

But when it comes to these GW conferences it is only the Western countries that are being asked to pony up money for climate change. China gets a pass... as does India, Brazil, etc. That is foolish. Do not ever expect the US to pass restrictions and pony up funds while nations like China get a pass.

And Canada told them to stick it last time and I thought that was great! Go Canada!

 

[L Gilbert]

I know that China is doing some things. However they get Developing Nation status and that is just wrong. The US is doing some things with regards to alternative energy. Of course the US Govt. is losing tons of cash in doing so with all the bankrupt Solar companies it has invested it.

But when it comes to these GW conferences it is only the Western countries that are being asked to pony up money for climate change. China gets a pass... as does India, Brazil, etc. That is foolish. Do not ever expect the US to pass restrictions and pony up funds while nations like China get a pass.

Yeah, well, you and I've been through this. I don't agree with the methods either. But idiotic methods or not, a lot of people just swallow the junk science and ignore the data about global temps.

And Canada told them to stick it last time and I thought that was great! Go Canada!

Me, too. Poltiics just takes pretty much anything scientific and distorts the hell out of it.

 

[EagleSmack]

Yeah, well, you and I've been through this. I don't agree with the methods either. But idiotic methods or not, a lot of people just swallow the junk science and ignore the data about global temps.

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Yeah... I reckon we have.

I don't like getting all uptight with the folks I like here anyways.

 

[petros]

Boo!

 

[EagleSmack]

 

[L Gilbert]

a lot of people just swallow the junk science and ignore the data about global temps.

Boo!

Speaking of which, there's one now!

 

[#juan]

Speaking of which, there's one now!

There is certainly enough information out there to suggest that global warming is happening.

Temperatures in 2010 hottest on record books, report says | News | National Post

 

[Blackleaf]

U.S. summer a global warming preview, scientists say

Someone needs to tell these dopes that hot weather in summer is normal.

WHAT!

Yes it gets hot in summer.

Funny how when we have brutally cold winters there is not a peep.

It wasn't that long ago that Britain's Meteorological Office told us that, due to global warming, there is a drought, that a hosepipe ban needs to be put in place in several areas of the country and that the drought will last until October - all due to global warming.

Since then it hasn't stopped raining. We've had no summer to speak of. Nothing but rain, rain, rain - and flooding. Matches at Wimbledon are being called off because of rain, and those that do get underway are played under leaden grey skies. It's forecast to rain for the rest of the week and at the weekend, too.

The global warming enthusiasts at the Met Office have, needless to say, been a bit quiet lately.

 

[coldstream]

The take away message from that article:

Through most of last century, the U.S. used to set cold and hot records evenly, but in the first decade of this century America set two hot records for every cold one, said Jerry Meehl, a climate extreme expert at the National Center for Atmospheric Research. This year the ratio is about 7 hot to 1 cold. Some computer models say that ratio will hit 20-to-1 by midcentury, Meehl said.
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Still gets cold...the distribution of extreme weather is being skewed and anyone who denies to which side can't actually be looking at data.

The more the climate 'models' miss their marks.. and NONE of their predictions have ever come true.. the more convoluted the logic becomes. They've recently tried to ascribe cold weather to 'Global Warming'. You can rest assured that the '7 to 1' ratio is completely without any scientific credibility... they just chose 7 records for every 1 the other way. There is no way you can measure anything on that basis.. its meaningless. And worse its intentionally fraudulent.. these climate fraudster are completely uncoscienable.

 

[L Gilbert]

The more the climate 'models' miss their marks.. and NONE of their predictions have ever come true.

Any evidence to support your claim?

the more convoluted the logic becomes.

.... and you oughtta know about convoluted "logic".

They've recently tried to ascribe cold weather to 'Global Warming'. You can rest assured that the '7 to 1' ratio is completely without any scientific credibility... they just chose 7 records for every 1 the other way.

Any evidence to support your claim?

There is no way you can measure anything on that basis

How would you know?

.. its meaningless.

I bet most of science is meaningless to you.

And worse its intentionally fraudulent..

Prove it.

these climate fraudster are completely uncoscienable.

Yeah, as opposed to the angels and saints that have their own version of such frauds and lack of "conscienables"?

Any evidence to support your claim?

A half hour later and no such support or evidence seems to be forthcoming. I'm shocked.

 

[Cabbagesandking]

WHAT!

Yes it gets hot in summer.

Funny how when we have brutally cold winters there is not a peep.

We don't have "brutally cold winters." Winters are also warmer over most of the world - and in North America.

It isn't that hot here. Are you letting that weather thing confuse you? Don't GWs tell us to ignore weather? They do... unless it is hot weather apparently.

Did you read the article? It is blistering hot all over the USA.

Why wasn't anything done at the Copenhagen Global Warming Conference in December 2009? Because China, India, South Africa, and Brazil killed the idea of any international action. That's not going to change no matter what.

Global warming may be real, but the non-western world isn't going to allow anything to be done about it. The west is simply going to have to accept that fact.

It is Canada that has sabotaged international conferences. The countries that you list mad e offers. Canada refused and the US followed.

 

[L Gilbert]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/02/120215143116.htm

Brutally cold winter: http://www.weather.com/outlook/weather-news/news/articles/looking-back-winter-2011-2012_2012-03-07

 

[Cabbagesandking]

Europe is having a cool wet summer.. after one of the most frigid winters in decades. It goes to show you how selective the 'evidence' for AGW is.

They've stopped referencing receding glaciers and polar ice.. because its become obvious none of that is happening. They've got their slavish lap dogs in the press driving hysterical reporting on a couple of hot weeks in the summer. and will completely ignore reports that don't mesh with that thesis.

I can attest that the Pacific Northwest has had a cool spring, after a cold winter. They've even stopped reporting on cyclical Pacific Ocean climatological events like La nina or El nino.. hoping to ramp up fear mongering that all HOT weather in based on carbon emissions.

It's really pathetic to see 'scientists' with so little integrity and respect for the scientific method and objective analysis. They are political hacks and nothing else.

Can you post any support for those imaginative assertions?

And it is not just that. The people that want to raid the coffers of Developed Nations KNOW China, India, etc. will NEVER commit to opening up their wallets and submitting to regulations. So the GW Leaders give them "Developing Nation" status to save face. Then go after Western Nations.



CS... please ignore Europe's cool wet summer and focus on the US's hot summer.

China is spending far more money than any other nation on strategies to mitigate warming. India is near the top in actions for the same purpose and is the only country that actually has a government department devoted to sustainable energy development.

 

[captain morgan]

Can you post any support for those imaginative assertions?

How do you prove a negative?

China is spending far more money than any other nation on strategies to mitigate warming. India is near the top in actions for the same purpose and is the only country that actually has a government department devoted to sustainable energy development.

Can you post any support for those imaginative assertions?

 

[Cabbagesandking]

How do you prove a negative?



Can you post any support for those imaginative assertions?

You claim awareness of world affairs, You should know therefore, that China used most of its stimulus money in the recent recession o build renewable energy facilities. It is, by far, the largest producer of both solar power and solar equipment.

Look at the Germanwatch site for a ranking of their efforts to mitigate emissions.

 

[captain morgan]

You claim awareness of world affairs, You should know therefore, that China used most of its stimulus money in the recent recession o build renewable energy facilities. It is, by far, the largest producer of both solar power and solar equipment.

China is the world leader in the development and commissioning of coal-fired electricity plants.

Perhaps they have mastered the secret to clean-coal technology and just aren't telling anyone

 

[Tonington]

The more the climate 'models' miss their marks.. and NONE of their predictions have ever come true..

I love it when the fake skeptics such as yourself make unequivocal statements with such a high level of certainty that what you say is correct. It's very easy to show that you're full of $hit. I simply have to show you one successful prediction:
How about storm tracks? research stormtracks

Models predicted poleward movement of mid-latitude storm tracks, and after many years of collecting data, the data are corroborating that model prediction.

And of course then there is one of the oldest model predictions of all relating to climate change. Svante Arrhenius, predicted rising temperatures long, long ago:
http://web.lemoyne.edu/~giunta/Arrhenius.html

So there's two.

Some other model predictions which have been turned out to be correct: the cooling stratosphere (a fingerprint of an enhanced greenhouse effect), the change in the diurnal temperature range, the energy flux at the top of the atmosphere (difference between incoming solar and outgoing longwave radiation), the cooling effects of volcanic eruptions which emit large amounts of sulphur oxides, polar amplification of the global warming trend.

I could go on, but you won't acknowledge any of this anyways.

You can rest assured that the '7 to 1' ratio is completely without any scientific credibility.

I suppose we should just take your well educated word on the subject? Ummm, no thank you.

.. they just chose 7 records for every 1 the other way. There is no way you can measure anything on that basis.. its meaningless.

No, they took weather data and found the frequency of one was much higher than the other. That is not meaningless. If you really think it is, then you need some basic tutoring in math and statistics.

And worse its intentionally fraudulent..

And I suppose you can show how those weather records over the past decade are fraudulent? No, ohhh, you;re a conspiracy theorist. That makes sense...

 

[B00Mer]

CS... please ignore Europe's cool wet summer and focus on the US's hot summer.