Do you believe in past lives?

[bluebyrd35]

The Big Bang is actually very well attested, there's plenty of evidence for it and it IS a good explanation, but that's neither here nor there in this context.

Proof is not what we're looking for. The business of science and philosophy, and human progress generally in fact, is to find good explanations, as I defined them above, and there's only one way we know of to do that. You start with a conjecture, then subject it to exhaustive and detailed analysis, inspection, and criticism, to find out if it actually is a good explanation of how something in the world seems to work. That's the source of our knowledge. All there is so far on this past lives and reincarnation stuff is the conjecture and a pile of anecdotes, insufficient to justify accepting it as a good explanation. It's also inconsistent with a lot of good explanations that we already have for other things, which is a strong point against the conjecture.

You do realize that, reincarnation is better attested to than the "Big Bang"?? The evidence of thousands to knowing their future and/or their past lives, is probably better evidence than that presented for the start of the universe.

As for your dismissal of the evidence for reincarnation on the basis of "your" opinion, without any effort to really do any investigation, I take from whence it comes.
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[JLM]

Yeah, I believe in past lives, Rodney King being one of the more recent!

 

[spaminator]

Yeah, I believe in past lives, Rodney King being one of the more recent!

 

[bluebyrd35]

i'm sorry to hear that.

did she know how and when she was going to die?

perhaps she could have taken another form of transportation. eg. bus, etc.

She never indicated the manner nor when........only that she would not marry because she would die before hand. Have you any idea of the circumstances that had to occur for that event to happen as she foresaw?? First, it was a last minute decision to make the trip to her death, second, the original car that was to be taken, was struck a week before by a drunk driver and totalled, putting the driver in hospital for a couple of days. Another car became available & she took it. She was one of three who died in that crash. Apparently, something happened to the steering wheel assembly and the car suddenly veered across a separating median & struck a trailer truck travelling in the opposite direction.

What are the chances of that death happening just before her marriage? Even more astounding what are the chances, she knew this would happen 15 years before hand??

 

[spaminator]

She never indicated the manner nor when........only that she would not marry because she would die before hand. Have you any idea of the circumstances that had to occur for that event to happen as she foresaw?? First, it was a last minute decision to make the trip to her death, second, the original car that was to be taken, was struck a week before by a drunk driver and totalled, putting the driver in hospital for a couple of days. Another car became available & she took it. She was one of three who died in that crash. Apparently, something happened to the steering wheel assembly and the car suddenly veered across a separating median & struck a trailer truck travelling in the opposite direction.

What are the chances of that death happening just before her marriage? Even more astounding what are the chances, she knew this would happen 15 years before hand??

one thing that could have been done is that the wedding could have been delayed/postponed until after she stopped having her death premonitions.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

You do realize that, reincarnation is better attested to than the "Big Bang"??

I realize no such thing, because that claim is simply wrong, and evidently you don't know much about it, or about what science is generally, or how it works. Neither do you understand much about the perceptual and cognitive biases and errors that commonly affect human thinking. Everything you've claimed here about past lives and reincarnation and prescient dreams and so on has a much more plausible good explanation in terms of those biases and errors than the bad explanations you give them.

Spend a few hours here: topical index: critical thinking - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com

 

[talloola]

Because some dreams do foretell future events, it seems the "mind" while residing in the brain, is separate from it. The brain is an organ and is incapable of leaving the body, but something sure does at times. There are so many instances where not just children know future events. These are predictions that could not possibly be foreseen with the knowledge the brain has available to it.

One of my daughters would tell us from about the age of 7 or 8 that she would never marry. That she would die before that. Well she got to two weeks before her wedding day, before she was killed in a firey car crash. Now exactly how did that child know this at such a young age. Her sister actually reminded her while she was trying on her wedding dress about (what we felt was her obsession) that it seemed she was wrong. It is one of the reasons, I think we do choreograph as much as possible our lives.

It is pretty hard to put such life changing events into manufactured imaginary visions.

she didn't know that, it was an amazing coincidence, that is how my mind works, I could never believe
such a thing. no one knows what will happen in the future.

 

[bluebyrd35]

one thing that could have been done is that the wedding could have been delayed/postponed until after she stopped having her death premonitions.

It was never a dream, it was knowledge she was aware of from a very young age. Never marrying was a solution solely in her hands. While I did not take her premonitions too seriously, I did not either encourage or discourage the wedding plans. We followed her wishes.

How sad,because she was perfectly content to continue the common-law arrangement she was already in. 30 years ago, this was not viewed as it is now. Also, then like now, premonitions were not viewed seriously. Pretty hard for a young woman to stand by instinct when confronted by contemptous dismissal or disbelief. It was a horrible way to find her premonitions were valid.

she didn't know that, it was an amazing coincidence, that is how my mind works, I could never believe
such a thing. no one knows what will happen in the future.

Oh she did know it!! Amazing coincidences? Good grief when do coincidences become something more??" She, went with the skeptics rather than her own instincts, and still even when the premonition comes true and she dies before marrying, there is still disbelief and still the claims of coincidence. The declarations of 15 years, just an aberration!!

She could have as someone mentioned.......never arranged to marry,......... stayed in the common law arrangement she was already in,...........after demolition of the first car stayed safe at home.......never continued to go on that trip after such a poor start. At 2 am with few cars on the 401, how amazing the steering gave way just in time to hit the lone semi-trailer going in the opposite direction? Oh but hey, "such amazing coincidences"

 

[mhan]

Do you think people that when they die, just get reborn into another life and start life over again as another person or thing? I seem to think so because i always get these weird deja vu moments where something ive never been too or expeirenced seems familiar....

What do you guys think? Mabye you were someone important in histpry, mabye you changed history or mabye lived a normal humble life in a past life....


YouTube - The Highwaymen - Highwayman

No, I do not believe in Eastern New Age reincarnation or metaphysics which incidently is a pseudoscience
as is psychology and psychiatry. Psychiatry: An Industry Of Death 1/10 - YouTube

One life on earth, physical death and then you spend eternity with Christ Jesus or with the devil and his legion.
If you really want to learn, read the bible for yourself and ask Jesus to guide you.
He has led me to different books, sermons and websites to further teach me: Bible Questions Answered
and the book series and website Answers In Genesis Answers in Genesis - Creation, Evolution, Christian Apologetics. Always pray and
compare what you read to the Word of God. There are many who will add, take away and twist His
Word so their sin is not condemned and others worse yet, who do it in order to keep others in their
same misery.

I pray that you draw near to God and that He leads you into the truth so that you will have a spiritually
fruitful life.

God Bless You Always Johnny : )

 

[Spade]

You still are.

But not constant. "Were man but constant, he were perfect."

 

[mhan]

The Big Bang is actually very well attested, there's plenty of evidence for it and it IS a good explanation, but that's neither here nor there in this context.

Proof is not what we're looking for. The business of science and philosophy, and human progress generally in fact, is to find good explanations, as I defined them above, and there's only one way we know of to do that. You start with a conjecture, then subject it to exhaustive and detailed analysis, inspection, and criticism, to find out if it actually is a good explanation of how something in the world seems to work. That's the source of our knowledge. All there is so far on this past lives and reincarnation stuff is the conjecture and a pile of anecdotes, insufficient to justify accepting it as a good explanation. It's also inconsistent with a lot of good explanations that we already have for other things, which is a strong point against the conjecture.

The Big Bang Theory is NOT a theory but fiction. Answers in Genesis book series or free website: Answers in Genesis - Creation, Evolution, Christian Apologetics . In the May 2004 issue of New Scientist, an open letter was printed to the scientific community written mostly by secular scientists challenging the big bang.

'The big bang today relies on a growing number of hypothetical entities, things that we have never observed - inflation, dark matter and dark energy are the most prominent examples. Without them, there would be a fatal contradiction between the observations made by astronomers and the predictions of the big bang theory. In no other field of physics would this continual recourse to new hypothetical objects be accepted as a way of bridging the gap between theory and observation. It would, at the least, raise serious questions about the validity of the underlying theory.'

This statement has since been signed by hundreds of other scientists and professors at various institutions.

I can go on and mention how carbon and radiometric dating has been incorrectly used or should I say, the results have been misinterpreted. The Big Bang Theory and also how it relates to carbon organisms is statistically impossible. I do not see the junk thrown in garbage heaps forming together after a few years. These organic and inorganic compounds in garbage dumps have more of a chance in 'reforming' than an explosion of various molecules eventually 'forming' the vast complexity of life that we see.

If you are interested in biology, physics and chemistry and who is behind intelligent design (the Trinitarian God) you will find many easy to read and understandable chapters on this subject and various sources from secular and nonsecular scientists to edify you.

 

[talloola]

It was never a dream, it was knowledge she was aware of from a very young age. Never marrying was a solution solely in her hands. While I did not take her premonitions too seriously, I did not either encourage or discourage the wedding plans. We followed her wishes.

How sad,because she was perfectly content to continue the common-law arrangement she was already in. 30 years ago, this was not viewed as it is now. Also, then like now, premonitions were not viewed seriously. Pretty hard for a young woman to stand by instinct when confronted by contemptous dismissal or disbelief. It was a horrible way to find her premonitions were valid.[/QUOTE
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thats right, an amazing coincidence, I don't believe in premonitions at all.
its impossible for anyone to know anything about what will happen to them in the future, with
exceptions of course to 'planned' events, and there is no guarantee even in those, till they happen,
as anything can happen to anyone at any time, just being in the wrong place at the wrong time,
as had happened to many.
what happened to her was sad, but I don't believe it had anything to do with anything that you
describe, and there was no need for contemptous dismissal or anything of the kind, either believe
her or don't, simple.

]

 

[bluebyrd35]

It was never a dream, it was knowledge she was aware of from a very young age. Never marrying was a solution solely in her hands. While I did not take her premonitions too seriously, I did not either encourage or discourage the wedding plans. We followed her wishes.

How sad,because she was perfectly content to continue the common-law arrangement she was already in. 30 years ago, this was not viewed as it is now. Also, then like now, premonitions were not viewed seriously. Pretty hard for a young woman to stand by instinct when confronted by contemptous dismissal or disbelief. It was a horrible way to find her premonitions were valid.[/QUOTE
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thats right, an amazing coincidence, I don't believe in premonitions at all.
its impossible for anyone to know anything about what will happen to them in the future, with
exceptions of course to 'planned' events, and there is no guarantee even in those, till they happen,
as anything can happen to anyone at any time, just being in the wrong place at the wrong time,
as had happened to many.
what happened to her was sad, but I don't believe it had anything to do with anything that you
describe, and there was no need for contemptous dismissal or anything of the kind, either believe
her or don't, simple.

][/QUOTE)

No such thing as coincidence. Yes, there are planned events and pacts made with others, which can be reneged on by either party at any time. The difference between your belief and what I have found, is there are many events and pacts, entered into before we even make an appearance in this life.

Evolution does not just occur on the physical level. We are portions of all that exists, and we are one of the many aware species that inhabit this universe or this world. By the way she wasn't the driver, nor was the car hers so she didn't commit suicide to prove her point.

Oh and of course, we choose what proofs or beliefs, we will accept with regards to this reality before hand. Frankly, I am not one of those who feel, we live in chaos with no control whatever over our circumstances.

 

[Spade]

I know a slug who was a snail in his past life. Claims it was liberating to come out of his shell.

 

[bluebyrd35]

The Big Bang Theory is NOT a theory but fiction. Answers in Genesis book series or free website: Answers in Genesis - Creation, Evolution, Christian Apologetics . In the May 2004 issue of New Scientist, an open letter was printed to the scientific community written mostly by secular scientists challenging the big bang.

'The big bang today relies on a growing number of hypothetical entities, things that we have never observed - inflation, dark matter and dark energy are the most prominent examples. Without them, there would be a fatal contradiction between the observations made by astronomers and the predictions of the big bang theory. In no other field of physics would this continual recourse to new hypothetical objects be accepted as a way of bridging the gap between theory and observation. It would, at the least, raise serious questions about the validity of the underlying theory.'

This statement has since been signed by hundreds of other scientists and professors at various institutions.

I can go on and mention how carbon and radiometric dating has been incorrectly used or should I say, the results have been misinterpreted. The Big Bang Theory and also how it relates to carbon organisms is statistically impossible. I do not see the junk thrown in garbage heaps forming together after a few years. These organic and inorganic compounds in garbage dumps have more of a chance in 'reforming' than an explosion of various molecules eventually 'forming' the vast complexity of life that we see.

If you are interested in biology, physics and chemistry and who is behind intelligent design (the Trinitarian God) you will find many easy to read and understandable chapters on this subject and various sources from secular and nonsecular scientists to edify you.[/QUOTE)

It takes common sense and the ability to distinguish between faith based facts and reality. Gravity is a theory as well, but since we are not floating off the planet, it is more than just faith keeping us here~!!

I know a slug who was a snail in his past life. Claims it was liberating to come out of his shell.

hmmmm and you are still running around loose???

 

[talloola]

It was never a dream, it was knowledge she was aware of from a very young age. Never marrying was a solution solely in her hands. While I did not take her premonitions too seriously, I did not either encourage or discourage the wedding plans. We followed her wishes.

How sad,because she was perfectly content to continue the common-law arrangement she was already in. 30 years ago, this was not viewed as it is now. Also, then like now, premonitions were not viewed seriously. Pretty hard for a young woman to stand by instinct when confronted by contemptous dismissal or disbelief. It was a horrible way to find her premonitions were valid.[/QUOTE
________________________________________________________________________________
thats right, an amazing coincidence, I don't believe in premonitions at all.
its impossible for anyone to know anything about what will happen to them in the future, with
exceptions of course to 'planned' events, and there is no guarantee even in those, till they happen,
as anything can happen to anyone at any time, just being in the wrong place at the wrong time,
as had happened to many.
what happened to her was sad, but I don't believe it had anything to do with anything that you
describe, and there was no need for contemptous dismissal or anything of the kind, either believe
her or don't, simple.

][/QUOTE)

No such thing as coincidence. Yes, there are planned events and pacts made with others, which can be reneged on by either party at any time. The difference between your belief and what I have found, is there are many events and pacts, entered into before we even make an appearance in this life.

Evolution does not just occur on the physical level. We are portions of all that exists, and we are one of the many aware species that inhabit this universe or this world. By the way she wasn't the driver, nor was the car hers so she didn't commit suicide to prove her point.

Oh and of course, we choose what proofs or beliefs, we will accept with regards to this reality before hand. Frankly, I am not one of those who feel, we live in chaos with no control whatever over our circumstances.

I don't think we live in chaos either, we have lots of control over our choices in life, but no
idea of what could happen or not happen. we don't know if a lunatic is going to jump in front
of us at any time and shoot us in the head, but we do have a stable level of calm each day we get
up to 'take the chance', it is our choice, or just stay in bed all day.
I can dismiss any idea I might carry with me that something awful could happen, just by knowing it is
possible, but not likely, i'm much more interested in going my way, in my way, in spite of those possibilities, that is
how I can be happy, and not by living with the idea that I want to save myself, so I will hide in the
house, jeesh, the roof could fall in when a plane crashes into it at 12:00 p.m. just when I walk into
the house, or I could have chosen a different house to buy, or I could have lived out in the country, or in or in a bomb shelter, or or or or.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

The Big Bang Theory is NOT a theory but fiction. Answers in Genesis book series or free website: Answers in Genesis - Creation, Evolution, Christian Apologetics .

Oh great, another one. It's obviously not worth trying to explain reality to you, that's a junk site and you've fallen for it.

 

[bluebyrd35]

I don't think we live in chaos either, we have lots of control over our choices in life, but no
idea of what could happen or not happen. we don't know if a lunatic is going to jump in front
of us at any time and shoot us in the head, but we do have a stable level of calm each day we get
up to 'take the chance', it is our choice, or just stay in bed all day.
I can dismiss any idea I might carry with me that something awful could happen, just by knowing it is
possible, but not likely, i'm much more interested in going my way, in my way, in spite of those possibilities, that is
how I can be happy, and not by living with the idea that I want to save myself, so I will hide in the
house, jeesh, the roof could fall in when a plane crashes into it at 12:00 p.m. just when I walk into
the house, or I could have chosen a different house to buy, or I could have lived out in the country, or in or in a bomb shelter, or or or or.

Really?? Well, I know that tomorrow is a holiday, and I know I have a sore back, so I will not be out shopping. I know that someday, perhaps fairly soon, I will sell my farm. I also know my grandson will come visit me in the next week or so. I knew I would work in a hospital at the age of 28, but it only happened when I applied for a job there at the age of 30 when my children were in school full time.

At 19 when I got married, amongst the gifts I received was a small drawing done by one of my bridesmaids. It showed me, my husband, a young boy walking between us and I was pushing a twin carriage showing girls. (I knew they were girls because she coloured the blankets pink..) I still have that picture. 5 years later, I had a son of two & a half and twin daughters. Hey just a coincidence right?? But heck, an awful lot of my life was coincidence.

If you like coincidences, how about the person who dreamt of her plane crashing. She cancelled her vacation, but wouldn't you know it, the plane crashed into her house while she was having breakfast. There are coincidences, but people are not that often aware of them. When it takes multiple events or happenings to achieve that "coincidence" and it is documented in advance, it is no longer a coincidence. It is called a premonition.

I realize no such thing, because that claim is simply wrong, and evidently you don't know much about it, or about what science is generally, or how it works. Neither do you understand much about the perceptual and cognitive biases and errors that commonly affect human thinking. Everything you've claimed here about past lives and reincarnation and prescient dreams and so on has a much more plausible good explanation in terms of those biases and errors than the bad explanations you give them.

Spend a few hours here: topical index: critical thinking - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com

Come now, exactly what proof is there of the "big Bang" coming from a specific explosion??? I know the theory and the explanation offered. I have also seen the photos taken by Hubble showing the debris emanating from what appears to be central point. But there are other explanations that can be attributed to the circumstances. ie Like there may be evidence, not yet discovered by our telescopes of something else that caused the flinging out of cosmic debris from what is believed to be a huge explosion. Who knows maybe there is a "GOD or ENTITY" that simply threw a tantrum. We may be as ants in a much bigger universe than we are capable of perceiving.

There is a difference between closed mind skepticism and allowing all possibilities some thought. Wasn't this closed mind attitude of the church during the time when humans believed the sun revolved around the earth?? or the belief that sailors could sail off the flat earth?? Science is not a closed subject and in my opinion is in it's infancy.

 

[gerryh]

Come now, exactly what proof is there of the "big Bang" coming from a specific explosion??? I know the theory and the explanation offered. I have also seen the photos taken by Hubble showing the debris emanating from what appears to be central point. But there are other explanations that can be attributed to the circumstances. ie Like there may be evidence, not yet discovered by our telescopes of something else that caused the flinging out of cosmic debris from what is believed to be a huge explosion. Who knows maybe there is a "GOD or ENTITY" that simply threw a tantrum. We may be as ants in a much bigger universe than we are capable of perceiving.

You make it sound like if there is a God there is no "Big Bang" or if there is a "Big Bang" then there is no God. Why can't we have both?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

[ I know the theory and the explanation offered. I have also seen the photos taken by Hubble showing the debris emanating from what appears to be central point.

If you knew the theory and understood the explanation you'd know there is not and could not be any such photograph.