Dad beats daughter’s alleged molester to death
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Beating death of alleged molester ruled a homicide | Newswatch | a Chron.com blog
The Travis County Medical Examiner’s Office determined the preliminary cause of death was blunt-force trauma to the head and neck, said Alene Lyons, Lavaca County Justice of the Peace, Precinct 4. Lyons said the death was ruled a homicide.
Harmon told the Associated Press it appears the father’s story is accurate and he has not been arrested. The case will be presented to a grand jury to determine what, if any, charges will be filed.
Harmon said the father and daughter were at their barn with several other people to groom and care for horses there. The Gonzales man came with some of the other people, but was not well-known, if at all, to the father and child.
The girl’s grandfather told KPRC (Channel 2) that the child and her brother were playing as the grownups worked. He gave her a bucket of feed and said she could go feed the chickens. While she feeding the fowl in their pen, the Gonzales man took the girl into some brush on the property, the grandfather told KPRC. He said another child saw what had happened and ran to tell the girl’s 23-year-old father. He found them in the brush.
Harmon said as the girl’s father was pulling the man away from the child, he hit the man several times in the head.
The girl was taken to DeTar hospital in Victoria to be evaluated and to have tests done to determine if a sexual assault occurred. She was released later and is with her family.
A resident in the area told KPRC that most neighbors consider the father’s actions justified.
The Travis County Medical Examiner’s Office determined the preliminary cause of death was blunt-force trauma to the head and neck, said Alene Lyons, Lavaca County Justice of the Peace, Precinct 4. Lyons said the death was ruled a homicide.
Harmon told the Associated Press it appears the father’s story is accurate and he has not been arrested. The case will be presented to a grand jury to determine what, if any, charges will be filed.
Harmon said the father and daughter were at their barn with several other people to groom and care for horses there. The Gonzales man came with some of the other people, but was not well-known, if at all, to the father and child.
The girl’s grandfather told KPRC (Channel 2) that the child and her brother were playing as the grownups worked. He gave her a bucket of feed and said she could go feed the chickens. While she feeding the fowl in their pen, the Gonzales man took the girl into some brush on the property, the grandfather told KPRC. He said another child saw what had happened and ran to tell the girl’s 23-year-old father. He found them in the brush.
Harmon said as the girl’s father was pulling the man away from the child, he hit the man several times in the head.
The girl was taken to DeTar hospital in Victoria to be evaluated and to have tests done to determine if a sexual assault occurred. She was released later and is with her family.
A resident in the area told KPRC that most neighbors consider the father’s actions justified.
From what i can read apparently he stopped it before it was too late.
will be hard for them to find an impartial jury for this.
Homicide without an arrest tells me even the Law has faith in the man.
Justifiable homicide - case dismissed
...In my Humble Opinion....
Justifiable homicide - case dismissed
...In my Humble Opinion....
We all have self preservation within us- That would include protecting family the most important part of self preservation in my opinion. Now this fellow who was killed was 48 - did he have other convictions- did his family know- lots of info not out yet
I think I'd want it labelled death by misadventure - just so the kid doesn't have it dogging the rest of her life on some C-prick somewhere....
They'll put it before a Grand Jury, something I've always liked the sounds of.
Honestly, irrespective of the circumstances or situation, if a death is involved, all the key elements/facts should be reviewed at some level, I think. Criminal laws are black and white, but life seldom is and the rules need to be reviewed/compared with each situation, particularly when a death is involved.
I think it was justifiable homicide as well. I don't think the intent to kill was there, I doubt very much, based on the description of events that I've read, that the man was thinking at all, let alone thinking clearly. I'm sure he was just running on pure instinct. And I don't see a jury convicting him in this case, so I really doubt a Grand Jury would indict.
As long as that is what happened I don't have too much of a problem with it.
The problem is the guy is dead and can't give the other side of the story if
there is one.
Besides, if you walked in on something like that, be honest it would be hard to
say, "Oh I better just hit him a few times or I could get into trouble with the law
and that would have serious consequences for the future" Sure you would use
automatic reason wouldn't we all. Actually I would beat the hell out of him, as to
whether I would kill him, not so sure, I think killing someone would have more
impact on my actions.
The problem is the guy is dead and can't give the other side of the story if
there is one.
Besides, if you walked in on something like that, be honest it would be hard to
say, "Oh I better just hit him a few times or I could get into trouble with the law
and that would have serious consequences for the future" Sure you would use
automatic reason wouldn't we all. Actually I would beat the hell out of him, as to
whether I would kill him, not so sure, I think killing someone would have more
impact on my actions.
In the US from what I understand a judge can overturn a Juries decision- is that the law in Canada. Can a judge overturn a Guilty or Innocent verdict from a jury?
Might get a murder charge dropped to a man slaughter charge though. There is the death penalty in Good Old Texas.
I don't know that much about US law but don't they need a grand jury in order to indict? Can a judge overturn that?
Ok, can a judge indict if a Grand Jury has not though?
It kind of makes sense, given a judge would be more versed in the rule of law, to be able to dismiss Grand Jury indictments.
From what i think- A prosecutor can bypass the Grand Jury and proceed directly to presenting the evidence etc in front of a judge and then it goes from there.
Can I run a completely ficticious situation by you here. I don't profess to know what happened but what 'could' have happened.
Let's say that the man and the child when innocently walking from one end of the barn to the other on the outside, while everyone else was inside. The child sees a snake, or something, on the ground, near the edge of the barn, and lets out a loud scream. Or, maybe the guy is a smart a$$ and picks up a snake and brings it towards the girl to scare her, and she lets out "Get away from me!!"
Dad ripes out of the barn and around the corner to see the man bent over laughing and the girl is obscureded vision because she is on the opposite side of the man. Dad grabs the guy and maybe, just maybe, he asks the daughter, "Did he Molest you!" She screams, "Yes" (How many 4 year olds do you know that know the meaning of the word molest?) Bam Bam - Bad Man Gone.
If he asked "Did he hurt you" the answer would likely be the same. "Yes" (scareing a child would likely feel hurtful to a child. Bam Bam - Bad Man Gone.
Just something to think about.
Let's say that the man and the child when innocently walking from one end of the barn to the other on the outside, while everyone else was inside. The child sees a snake, or something, on the ground, near the edge of the barn, and lets out a loud scream. Or, maybe the guy is a smart a$$ and picks up a snake and brings it towards the girl to scare her, and she lets out "Get away from me!!"
Dad ripes out of the barn and around the corner to see the man bent over laughing and the girl is obscureded vision because she is on the opposite side of the man. Dad grabs the guy and maybe, just maybe, he asks the daughter, "Did he Molest you!" She screams, "Yes" (How many 4 year olds do you know that know the meaning of the word molest?) Bam Bam - Bad Man Gone.
If he asked "Did he hurt you" the answer would likely be the same. "Yes" (scareing a child would likely feel hurtful to a child. Bam Bam - Bad Man Gone.
Just something to think about.
