Hudson Bay polar bear numbers increase

Kakato

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First, what makes you think I have never been there? But that is irrelevant. What is relevant is that you seem to have suffered a brain freeze during your time there that has never properly melted.

This link will give you some idea of Arctic Ice conditions. It will also say what all the bodies that monitor sea ice say: that an ice free summer Arctic is not far away.

Notice the graphs. Extent, and volune are declining dramatically.

RealClimate: Arctic Sea Ice Volume: PIOMAS, Prediction, and the Perils of Extrapolation
First let me ask....what arctic experience do you have?
Aside from what you learned on the internets.

I can tell you have never been there just as anyone else who has been there could.

Ice melts by the end of june,reforms end of september like clockwork.

I dont need graphs,I used to do ice profiles,that was enough.
 

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They have no natural predators, somebody going to start growing seals in the opposite direction of towns and villages?

...any mine in Canada or the territories with a .
So why mention the territories like they are not part of, ....... wait for it, ....... Canada?
 

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They have no natural predators, somebody going to start growing seals in the opposite direction of towns and villages?


So why mention the territories like they are not part of, ....... wait for it, ....... Canada?
Because they like too refer to themselves as the territories.
And in a lot of camps and villages near the arctic circle you will see the territorial Nunavut flag flying over top of the Canadian flag.
 

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First let me ask....what arctic experience do you have?
Aside from what you learned on the internets.

I can tell you have never been there just as anyone else who has been there could.

Ice melts by the end of june,reforms end of september like clockwork.

I dont need graphs,I used to do ice profiles,that was enough.

Couple of seismic seasons.
Been there done that, D7G pulling a power-shack, kitchen, washroom/sleeper for a total of three 72ft trailers mounted on a bob-sled style skies. I was the cutter so I pulled the fuel-sloop which was 8 x 500 gallon barrels.

Went west from Norman Wells for a day and a bit and then turned north through a pass, some months later is was back down the same pass but it was bare so you had to which the sleighs down the south -facing

Since we used lakes for renewing supplies we waited till the lakes had 4ft of ice on them, if we were careful to come ashore real slowly we could travel at full speed over most of the lake.

People are still happy to see even a stranger but they are learning not everybody deserves that sort of greeting.

Not that I have a point to prove but is that the sort of 'stuff' that would make it easy to 'decide'?

Because they like too refer to themselves as the territories.
And in a lot of camps and villages near the arctic circle you will see the territorial Nunavut flag flying over top of the Canadian flag.
How would that go over down here, I'm all for worthwhile changes. Keeping firewater away from the whole area would be a worthwhile move as they do not do well with addictive substances, I'll bet that has gotten worse over the last 20 years rather than better (for them). I'll bet AV gas is what most skidoos run on so does that still gaive the same buzz for the kids that leaded gas did? Pop starts should be able to pick the year that started, suicide spiked big time.
 

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Couple of seismic seasons.
Been there done that, D7G pulling a power-shack, kitchen, washroom/sleeper for a total of three 72ft trailers mounted on a bob-sled style skies. I was the cutter so I pulled the fuel-sloop which was 8 x 500 gallon barrels.

Went west from Norman Wells for a day and a bit and then turned north through a pass, some months later is was back down the same pass but it was bare so you had to which the sleighs down the south -facing

Since we used lakes for renewing supplies we waited till the lakes had 4ft of ice on them, if we were careful to come ashore real slowly we could travel at full speed over most of the lake.

People are still happy to see even a stranger but they are learning not everybody deserves that sort of greeting.

Not that I have a point to prove but is that the sort of 'stuff' that would make it easy to 'decide'?


How would that go over down here, I'm all for worthwhile changes. Keeping firewater away from the whole area would be a worthwhile move as they do not do well with addictive substances, I'll bet that has gotten worse over the last 20 years rather than better (for them). I'll bet AV gas is what most skidoos run on so does that still gaive the same buzz for the kids that leaded gas did? Pop starts should be able to pick the year that started, suicide spiked big time.
Nice,I hated the fuel sloops and cat trains and breaking through the ice,I was about 3000 kliks north of you but I can relate,from northern alberta border on the territories its pretty well the same.

Weed is $50.00 a gram up there and if your on the rcmp blacklist it's going to cost $250 for a 26er.

No ceremonialy booze for you....Beer nazi.

Even though we have disagreed mhz in the past it's nice to know someone else has been through the same thing....The sundogs were awesome.


Allmost as awesome as that bottle of crown royal,flown in on chopper and drank with ice off lake Tehake.
 
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These are not polar bears, although the momma looks like she could be half polar. Cub has a Grizzly father.
 

Kakato

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These are not polar bears, although the momma looks like she could be half polar. Cub has a Grizzly father.
Ya,the griz are bigger then the polars by a long shot,but the wolverines will still chase a griz off a kill.
They may be smaller but they got bigger balls.

The lack of a grizzly hump would say to me kodiaks?
 

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Here's a link to a reasonably good article about polar bears.

They don't breed like rabbits, and I would say the "increase" numbers have been picked out of the air.

But that's just my cynical nature.

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=breeding%20cycle%20of%20polar%20bears&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CGkQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.polarbearsinternational.org%2Fpolar-bears%2Fpolar-bear-comprehensive%2Freproduction&ei=uYLQT93FOIGa8gSV64i_AQ&usg=AFQjCNHDK-EnPxA_YFLKvgkEc35B_3RHtA&cad=rja


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?The polars share territory with the griz,as you can see,this one is seriously starving.

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...80612_39_n.jpg


Is that a polar, or grizz, or a hybrid? The two have been known to mate. Interesting.

Saw in a doc where one of the reasons polars had bad luck hunting on land, is that they didn't know how to fish, and missed out on the good, packed with high calorie, stuff when the salmon spawned. T'would seem logical.

IF *IF...........they have to spend more time on land, they will watch the grizz and will become fisherbears pretty quickly.. Just MHO. They seem to be very intelligent, and that serpentine neck would seem to be made for a quick lunge at a salmon. 1,000,000 seals can't be wrong.

Your thoughts?


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I do enjoy people speculating on things they admittedly don't know anything about. It makes for good reading.



:lol:.........How could you have read my last post before I posted it.???
 

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How many polar bear attacks have there bee in nature?

Airhead pix

a well fed bear in a zoo. ;)


There bee many attacks in nature when unarmed folks saunter too close. Only happens once per person.

That one in the zoo is neat. Then there's the one where the bear has a woman who climbed over two security fences to get a better look, and it's trying to pull here through the fence. Can't find the link, but it's Darwin at his best. Could be a lion but I remember a bear.

Gotta love the little things........(."Woody")
 

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There bee many attacks in nature when unarmed folks saunter too close. Only happens once per person.

That one in the zoo is neat. Then there's the one where the bear has a woman who climbed over two security fences to get a better look, and it's trying to pull here through the fence. Can't find the link, but it's Darwin at his best. Could be a lion but I remember a bear.

Gotta love the little things........(."Woody")
Here's the one you mention
Polar Bear Zoo Attack - YouTube
 

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8O Thank you Maple Dog. It was a bear. Glad to see I just have a poor memory and am not hallucinating.

Great big fluffy furry puppy just tryin to have some fun..........and lunch.
 

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Had the misfortune to visit the Vancouver Aquarium a few years ago, and they had this old polar bear on display., which had been there for years.

He/she was really old and skinny. Swam around the moat. Walked around his little island. Swam around the moat. All alone.

Nice life...................................not.

The rest of the time he sat and looked at the idiots (me too) looking at him, possibly dreaming of the ability of scaling the wall and spreading blood and gore for several blocks before the gestapo came to shoot him. I sorta said, "just wait till we leave, then giver."

Poor old bastard.

In another display they had a bunch of sea otters doing their cavorting thing. A guy in a suit told his wife and kids to "come and look at dem animals what build dem dams. yunno.........dose............beaver things.".........I couldn't make this up.

Hate zoos of any kind.

Wonder if we're in one but just can't see our keepers.

Nice thought.

Time to increase the meds.

Even that woman later said,it was dumb what she did.


Yep, she was right.:munky2:
 

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but they got bigger balls.
Then how come 'they' don't leave drag-marks in the fresh snow?

Perhaps the 'mother' was a griz rather than being the 'father'. Once a man-eater gets to be over 13' it doesn't matter what breed they are.

Hate zoos of any kind.
Start up a web zoo with critter cams planted all over the world (local staff) on the natural game trails and maybe even tag a few of the really old ones to document how they die in the wild. Be my guest if you want to put one in the den of a griz for some 'hibernation stills' as part of the business end of the business.
 

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:lol:.............follow the bouncing halfwit.:blob5:

oh, there's a husky dusky maiden in the arctic
and i know she waits for me but not in vain
some day i'll put my mukluks on and find her
we'll be happy when the iceworms nest again.

chorus..............EVERYBODY!!!!!:wav:
INNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNnnnnnnnnnnnnn
the land of the pale blue snow
where its 49 below
and the polar bears are roamin o'er the plain
in the shadow of the pole
i will clasp her to my soul
we'll be happy when the iceworms nest again.

for our wedding feast we'll have seal oil and blubber
in our kayak we will roam the bounding main
all the walruses will look at her and rubber
we'll be happy when the ice worms nest again

CHORUS.......................EVVVVVVVVVVVVVVRYBODY!!!:blob4::blob5:

tune goes: do do do do do do do do do do do dooooooooo

now ya got it.

:director2: credit: Indaluk Marvaduk

{heard it on the Spike Jones show years and years and years ago)
 

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Ice profiles 60 kliks south of the arctic circle. Dec23/2007 and I volunteered to keep the camp open,this ice be allmost 8 feet thick here.The polars are still down south at Churchill at this time.

ice road - YouTube

There are strange things done in the midnight sun
By the men who moil for gold;
The Arctic trails have their secret tales
That would make your blood run cold;
The Northern Lights have seen queer sights,
But the queerest they ever did see
Was that night on the marge of Lake Lebarge
I cremated Sam McGee.

I'm bored and rained out so heres another.

The sweetest sound you will ever hear after 6 weeks at the arctic circle.
Get me the fuc* out of here!

chopper start up - YouTube