LOL....I see, so YOU decide for everyone else what to take at face value and what not to, but the rest of us can't do the same thing. I gather you figure you are far more intelligent than the rest of us.
Oil Sand Myths
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LOL....I see, so YOU decide for everyone else what to take at face value and what not to, but the rest of us can't do the same thing. I gather you figure you are far more intelligent than the rest of us.
Read the addition to my post, this isn't about intelligence, it's about people intentionally deciding to ignore the facts because they are either too lazy or too greedy.
It could be choosing to ignore the "facts" because they are skewed and twisted with an agenda.
The science behind the role greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide play goes back almost two centuries, the first calculations of climate sensitivity which quantifies the results of a doubling of atmospheric CO2 goes back over 100 years. since then we've seen a revolution in science and technology that allows us to understand with much more confidence the processes taking place and their physical characteristics. Gilbert Plass did some important work in the 1950s using modern infrared detectors to determine with a much greater degree of accuracy what climate sensitivity is and this has been further refined.
And yet we still hear how uncertain everything is and there are some here and many other places who will endlessly claim there is no problem and it's all just down to some limited agenda. The IPCC which is a political body, not a scientific one with strong input from governments like the US, Russia, Saudi Arabia and other nations not inclined to support Global Warming evidence, and yet it found with a high degree of certainty that serious climate change was happening, was almost certainly the result of human generated greenhouse gases and other activities and that if left unchecked would have very serious consequences.
And we're still going to endlessly debate this?
Climate change denial is almost totally a construction of the interests most affected by mitigation. It's up there with conspiracy theories that deny the moon landings and other fringe "science". And is a total waste of very precious time we could actually be making the change in direction we need to to avoid the worst effects of climate change.
This probably isn't going to be much of a debate in a few years as the solar sunspot maximum coincides with a predicted El Nino.
Which has absolutly NOTHING to do with Global Warming.
...oh yes, and don't think for a minute that I and many others have not noticed the name change and push from "GW" to "climate change".
Solar radiance has a direct effect on the Earth's energy balance, less sunspot activity means decreased solar radiance which will bring about global cooling. La Ninas and El Ninos involve a massive movement or sloshing of the Pacific tropical waters which will alternate from a condition that will increase warming(El Nino) by increasing the amount of water vapour in the atmosphere above the warmer ocean surface waters or conversely cool the planet when cold deep water rises to the surface and cools the atmosphere above it.
Climate change results from Global Warming, GW is the positive forcing of the earth's energy balance by the presence of greater amounts of CO2 and other greenhouse gases.
Ignorance and paranoia, they always seem to go hand in hand.
I always get a chuckle out of the dual alarmist benefit wrought from the term 'climate change'. Temp goes up = bad; temp goes down = bad... It reeks of a belief that there is an optimal global temp range that one can with a home thermostat.
I guess that it won't be too long before we can be inundated with the new eco-frenzy over 'tidal change'... You know, tides at one level in the day and another level at night - no doubt the direct result of burning oil or planting tomatoes or possibly little kids jumping up and down in the playground.
I guess that it won't be too long before we can be inundated with the new eco-frenzy over 'tidal change'... You know, tides at one level in the day and another level at night - no doubt the direct result of burning oil or planting tomatoes or possibly little kids jumping up and down in the playground.
In the case of ENSO and other basin wide oscillations there has been a change that is associated with human generated Global Warming.
sunspot activity is independent of GW but as it's impossible to predict what the long term trend is we have to assume a traditional baseline. All things being equal, pumping massive amounts of LLGHGs into the atmosphere is really really stupid.
He can rest easy with the knowledge of moral superiority in that cave whilst eating twigs and berries... Nice thing about doing it naked is that you don't have to worry about staining a nice shirt.
The term climate change came first. Global Warming was adopted by some to show the direction of the change. Global Warming is something that is happening within the context of climate change.
AH like the global warming truthers. Actually I can think of about half a dozen greenie groups that ignore any evidence that does not fit their pre determined outcome.
There is an optimal climate range, petros, within which man can safely exist. We have exixted within that range for two and on half million years.
Now, we are on the verge of a high temperature that has not been seen in that time. The temperature that will be here within little more than a century and quite possibly much sooner, is one that has not been known for more than three billion year. In that climate regime, a large portion of the Earth would have been uninhabitable by man and a very large chunk of our most heavily inhabited area would have been under water.
That is the future if we do not act within a few years. We are now about to break the 400 ppm of CO2 - some stations show that we have already. 350 is probably the limit to remain close to the optimal temperature for our existence. 450 is the absolute limit that we can exist with - and that scientists say with crossed fingers.
Now, we are on the verge of a high temperature that has not been seen in that time. The temperature that will be here within little more than a century and quite possibly much sooner, is one that has not been known for more than three billion year. In that climate regime, a large portion of the Earth would have been uninhabitable by man and a very large chunk of our most heavily inhabited area would have been under water.
That is the future if we do not act within a few years. We are now about to break the 400 ppm of CO2 - some stations show that we have already. 350 is probably the limit to remain close to the optimal temperature for our existence. 450 is the absolute limit that we can exist with - and that scientists say with crossed fingers.
Kind of hard for us to have a reasoned debate when you are not equipped to have one.
Meanwhile playing with you does have a certain amount of entertainment value.
Two and a half million years? Several ice ages didn't count? I'd love to see the hat you're pulling facts from....
One of those pesky little facts the truthers avoid because it doesn't fit in with the predetermined conclusion.