NASA: Tar sands is the "dirtiest of fuels"
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Is it under a mile of ice now? If not, how is that relevant. Incidentally, the first Ice Age was about 2.5 million years ago and we are still in it. Climate moves in a very narrow range since then. giving mini Ice Ages within the whole with interglacial periods that are just a few degrees warmer than in those mini periods.
By the end of this century, or very soon after, the global mean temperature will, as I said earlier, be higher than at any time since that first Ice Age. It does not need much for that, Just 2 more degrees Celsius from where we are now and increasing at nearly .2C each decade. Do the math!
It will be at the Permian level when, again as I wrote, sea level was 25 metres higher than now.
That is not in question. The question is how do we act to avoid it. It is lucky that, as you say, you will not be around then. Or a pity for you would be able to "half fill" many glasses from the waters flowing over New York and scores of other coastal cities and whole swathes of some countries.
I get you now. If something doesn't support your position, it's not
relevant. The end is nigh. Write it on your sandwich board.
There are seven billion of us, & our population isn't going down. Yeah,
we're affecting our surroundings, but I have trouble with the extent that
you claim. Perhaps its due to too many Al Gore-ish claims that preceed
you, going back as far as the history of....well...maybe sandwich boards.;-)
So many claimed "tipping points" have come and gone and been revised
it seems, that it's hard to take it seriously.
Maybe the exageration is for emphasis (& not salesmanship), but it hasn't
helped the cause.
You're not the first with this call, and you won't be the last...& Hell, you might
even be right! Someone singing that tune has to eventually be correct. But
once the claims become so outlandish, following in the footsteps of many
others over time, it becomes....difficult to take at face value.
The last ice age was less then 10,000 years ago
been in the industry since 1978,I think im well imformed enough to take someone like you out of any debate with experience alone and very quickly but im trying to not make you look like the numpty you are.Can't handle the logic huh?
Apparently you can't handle metaphors either.You think. But then, you don't think well either. You have no clue what sort of lifestyle we have here, yet you spew uninformed opinions like that like shyte through a goose.There's another metaphor for you.
The last ice age (Wisconsonian) was 13,000 years ago. It took thousands of years to melt, just like it will take thousands of years for Greenland and Antarctic ice to melt....if there were an issue.
The Ice Age began 2.5 million years ago: give or take a couple of hundred thousand. It has never ended. There have been four minor interglacial periods in that time, including the one that we are in now.
The Greenland and Antarctic Icecaps have not melted in that time.
However, as I wrote, we are on track to surpass any temperature that has been seen in that 2.5 million years. Just a little over 2C higher will equal the temperature of the Pliocene more than three million years ago (I wrongly called this the Permian) earlier). That is the last time that the Greenland and Antarctic caps were not the defining decider of climate and the seas were 25 metres higher.
We will be there in around a century. Less in some estimates: a little more in some. But there in all estimates by reputable researchers.
And Ron, I am not going to get into that foolish religious crap. Who actually fits that Bill? The deniers who have nothing but faith? Or those who follow the science. Science that is not questioned by any scientist or educated person.
As for "tipping points," try to show one that has passed without realisation. There have been several and anyone with open eyes and mind would be concerned that they support the predictions.
The Greenland and Antarctic Icecaps have not melted in that time.
However, as I wrote, we are on track to surpass any temperature that has been seen in that 2.5 million years. Just a little over 2C higher will equal the temperature of the Pliocene more than three million years ago (I wrongly called this the Permian) earlier). That is the last time that the Greenland and Antarctic caps were not the defining decider of climate and the seas were 25 metres higher.
We will be there in around a century. Less in some estimates: a little more in some. But there in all estimates by reputable researchers.
And Ron, I am not going to get into that foolish religious crap. Who actually fits that Bill? The deniers who have nothing but faith? Or those who follow the science. Science that is not questioned by any scientist or educated person.
As for "tipping points," try to show one that has passed without realisation. There have been several and anyone with open eyes and mind would be concerned that they support the predictions.
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The other day I thought I would sit down and play a game of chess with a pigeon. I was bored and figured I would beat the pigeon easily.
Well, I soon had the pigeon and checkmate, and you know what that pigeon did? He kicked over all the pieces and crapped all over the board.
Well, I soon had the pigeon and checkmate, and you know what that pigeon did? He kicked over all the pieces and crapped all over the board.
Don't get me wrong bud, I understand what you are trying to convey.
The game is rigged by, get this, both sides though.
I figured you understood. I agree though, which is why the idea is so useful on a thread like this.
There is much too much noise in the social debate about climate change, you can't hear the honest scientists for the lunatics. It seems to be settling down though. Not sure what happened.
.... And we all know that Hollywood never releases anything unless it's fact.
Looks like this case is closed.
Exactly! Which is why the release of Transformers had me so very worried. They're giant freaking robots man!