Canada adds a surprise 58,200 jobs in April

petros

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if you ever read the book you will see her in it.she was Charlies cook when he was outrunning debeers.Good ol Saskabush gal,used to open up the camps in february and that makes her tougher then me by a longshot! lol!
I worked during mosquito season tracing the green rock back to it's source by running grids until we found the pipes. Glaciers ground out the softer kimberlite from the granite country rock fanning it out over the tundra. The triangle shape of the fans lead us right to the sources, like a big arrow saying "drill here". We covered a huge area on the north shore of Lac de Gras all on quad and on foot while Fipke's crew worked north of us.
 

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I worked during mosquito season tracing the green rock back to it's source by running grids until we found the pipes. Glaciers ground out the softer kimberlite from the granite country rock fanning it out over the tundra. The triangle shape of the fans lead us right to the sources, like a big arrow saying "drill here". We covered a huge area on the north shore of Lac de Gras all on quad and on foot while Fipke's crew worked north of us.
I spent 2 years building ice roads to eskers for sand that would eventually make cement to make the meadowbank mine,sand was worth about $1000.00 a bag back then and the bag was boy scout size,road gravel.

Crazey stuff!
 

petros

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I spent 2 years building ice roads to eskers for sand that would eventually make cement to make the meadowbank mine,sand was worth about $1000.00 a bag back then and the bag was boy scout size,road gravel.

Crazey stuff!
Damn near the same price as 2 packs of cigarettes up there. I had a guy pay me $20 for one stinking cig. It's a completly different world up there. Too bad el puerco will never see it. It would do him good.
 

Kakato

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Damn near the same price as 2 packs of cigarettes up there. I had a guy pay me $20 for one stinking cig. It's a completly different world up there. Too bad el puerco will never see it. It would do him good.

I used to love the heli trips in to the northern store for goods,dasanti water-$5.00 a liter.Nunavut Grocery Prices = Insane!!!! - YouTube

Iqaluit dust storm.737 Dust Storm Takeoff - YouTube

CYBB (YBB) - Kugaaruk Airport - Kugaaruk, Nunavut Kugaaruk is located on the shore of Pelly Bay in the Kitikmeot Region of Nunavut, and owner of the Canadian record wind chill of -78º C.

Yet I have pics of -80 not far from here.

Sorry kugaruk but I stayed in a tent in colder then that.


Now thats a record!
 

Machjo

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First, though it was not you who said it, I know very well what I am talking about. And there are many studies to support that. It is not a question of what works in Sweden. It could not work here at this time because of the low Union participation and the active anti-union position of government.

Does it have to be explained that, when comparing income levels, constant dollars are the currency?

Minimum wage in every Canadian jurisdiction is less than 80% of what it was in 1977. There are tables to show that. Tables that I have looked to a number of times in the past.

Non Union manufacturer's pay as much because of what Unions have won. And you, and every one on the forum are the beneficiaries of that. And that is what is being taken away from you - or from mos - as real incomes have started to decline.How can Union rules be making us uncompetitive in World markets when most potential markets other than the US have far more unionisation than Canada?

There are no "ultra high" taxes in Canada. Canada is in the lower half of OECD nations in its tax levels.

Environmental laws with no basis in reality! Are you the reincarnation of a 19th. century coal merchant?

You do realise don't you that Swedish unions also follow a very different philosophy from Canadian ones, right? Whereas Canadian unions tend to follow a more labour-socialist model, based mostly on labour-management confrontation, most Swedish labour unions follow some form of corporatist model, whereby they seek to find common ground between labour and management.

Come to think of it, that might also be why there is more anti-union sentiment in Canada than in Sweden. Just something to think about.
 

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Might be?

Most likely. As an example, when Sweden introduced school vouchers, teachers expressed some legitimate concern but once those concerns were addressed, they worked with it. In fact, they never even had a strike over it.

Could you imagine this in Canada? Teachers would be striking province-wide.

swedish workers have also been known to negotiate their wages downwards along with those of management in hard times. In Canada, they'll usually do it only as a last resort at the eleventh hour once the government has given them a bail out and the company is just about to collapse.

Need I point out other examples of differences between Swedish unions and Canadian ones?
 

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Need I point out other examples of differences between Swedish unions and Canadian ones?
Well maybe to Cabbagefarts.

But eventually he'll get tired of getting pwnd and just tell you, you're posts are filled with nonsense.
 

Cabbagesandking

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There has been anti Union sentiment in Canada and throughout the Western world for more han thirty years now - strongest in the Ablo-Saxon part, It has been a deliberate and well funded campaign by the Right and fuelled by a number of wealthy corporations and individuals.

In the 1970s, six wealthy American families set up "Think Tanks" for the sole purpose of developing strategies and propaganda for the Right Wing counter attack on society. Those are the same six who have been behind the tobacco industries defensive denials and who now are the source of almost all anti climate research material.

In Canada, the Fraser Institute and the C.D. Howe Institute came about for the same purpose.

And they succeeded wildly. They gave us Reagan and Mulroney and a shift of public conscience to the Right.

As Orwell said, Fascism is the counter attack of Capitalism on the Unions.

To read the ill informed Right Wing epistles of some here is to understand just how well they have succeeded. As these individuals sink further and further down in their relative economic standing, they applaud those who seek their subservience.

And we wonder how Nazism and Fascism could have deceived whole nations!

Actually you do not. You do, however, need to consider the reality that Unionism is too weak in Canada for there to be any possibility of applying the Swedish model.

It is quite irrelevant to the societies of, particularly, the English speaking countries.
 

Machjo

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There has been anti Union sentiment in Canada and throughout the Western world for more han thirty years now - strongest in the Ablo-Saxon part, It has been a deliberate and well funded campaign by the Right and fuelled by a number of wealthy corporations and individuals.

In the 1970s, six wealthy American families set up "Think Tanks" for the sole purpose of developing strategies and propaganda for the Right Wing counter attack on society. Those are the same six who have been behind the tobacco industries defensive denials and who now are the source of almost all anti climate research material.

In Canada, the Fraser Institute and the C.D. Howe Institute came about for the same purpose.

And they succeeded wildly. They gave us Reagan and Mulroney and a shift of public conscience to the Right.

As Orwell said, Fascism is the counter attack of Capitalism on the Unions.

To read the ill informed Right Wing epistles of some here is to understand just how well they have succeeded. As these individuals sink further and further down in their relative economic standing, they applaud those who seek their subservience.

And we wonder how Nazism and Fascism could have deceived whole nations!

Actually you do not. You do, however, need to consider the reality that Unionism is too weak in Canada for there to be any possibility of applying the Swedish model.

It is quite irrelevant to the societies of, particularly, the English speaking countries.

You still haven't answered the issue of Canadian unions being philosophically very different from their Swedish counterparts.

I'm for increased government funding for trades and professional training for the unemployed; I'm for codetermination laws (if you know what that is), I'm for higher taxes if necessary to balance the budget. So I'm hardly some right wing rabid brainwashed capitalist.

However, there are some economic realities to consider too. Minimum wage does not help to raise the standard of living; it just legislates people out of work if it's too high and is redundant if too low, so either way it doesn't help. You don't help a person by legislating him out of work. As far as I'm concerned, the unemployed would be right to sue the government for compensation for minimum wage legislation.

One reason Canadian unions have never spoken out about codetermination laws is because that would require collaboration. Instead, tehy're more focussed on anti-scab legislation for their own self-aggrandizement.

Raising the standard of living has little to do with labour unions.

Now that I think about it, that post is quite insulting. So if I'm not pro-union, I'm either a fascist or am an ignorant twit falling for fascist propaganda?

I'd love to debate you on a point by point basis on a number of issues and you'd quickly see that even though I'm not very pro-union (though not necessarily anti-union either), that I have ideas that are more progressive than even soem of the NDP's ideas in spite of the fact that on other fronts I'm more conservative than the Conservative Party. to have such an ecclectic set of beliefs is hardly indicative of a stooge who just blindly follows propaganda.
 

Kakato

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There has been anti Union sentiment in Canada and throughout the Western world for more han thirty years now - strongest in the Ablo-Saxon part, It has been a deliberate and well funded campaign by the Right and fuelled by a number of wealthy corporations and individuals.

In the 1970s, six wealthy American families set up "Think Tanks" for the sole purpose of developing strategies and propaganda for the Right Wing counter attack on society. Those are the same six who have been behind the tobacco industries defensive denials and who now are the source of almost all anti climate research material.

In Canada, the Fraser Institute and the C.D. Howe Institute came about for the same purpose.

And they succeeded wildly. They gave us Reagan and Mulroney and a shift of public conscience to the Right.

As Orwell said, Fascism is the counter attack of Capitalism on the Unions.

To read the ill informed Right Wing epistles of some here is to understand just how well they have succeeded. As these individuals sink further and further down in their relative economic standing, they applaud those who seek their subservience.

And we wonder how Nazism and Fascism could have deceived whole nations!

Actually you do not. You do, however, need to consider the reality that Unionism is too weak in Canada for there to be any possibility of applying the Swedish model.

It is quite irrelevant to the societies of, particularly, the English speaking countries.
hmmmm,this looks like a godwin.
 

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There has been anti Union sentiment in Canada and throughout the Western world for more han thirty years now - strongest in the Ablo-Saxon part,

Did you ever stop to think 'why' there is such a strong negative attitude towards unionism in Canada?

It has been a deliberate and well funded campaign by the Right and fuelled by a number of wealthy corporations and individuals.

Reliance on conspiracy theory is a sure sign of a weak position

In the 1970s, six wealthy American families set up "Think Tanks" for the sole purpose of developing strategies and propaganda for the Right Wing counter attack on society.

Ironic that these same 6 families provide huge funding to a raft of left wing organizations like Suzuki, GreenPeace, Forest Ethics (etc ad nauseaum) that pretend to be charities.

So much for the ole conspiracy theory


And we wonder how Nazism and Fascism could have deceived whole nations!

Yet Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were pillars of humanity that embraced the notion of a workers paradise that would inevitably lead to utopia.... Remind me please, how did those work out?
 

Cabbagesandking

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Those "Think Tanks" do not provide any funding to Suzuki or any other cause but their own,

There is no conspiracy theory. It is well documented and there was no secret about their meetings and discussion in the early 70s for the express purpose of doing what they did. There would have been nothing wrong with it, either, had they not lied and misrepresented to achieve their objective.

A negative attitude to unions in Canada! Indeed there is and I gave you the reasons. Stupidity that believes those Think Tanks that were set up for the very purpose of persuading the stupid that their suppression was for their own good.

Do you not know the difference between Fascism and the effect on a nation and what Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao did? Fascism convinced peoples: the others terrorized them.
 

JLM

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The only reason for a union is bad management,I hate em myself and make double the coin working non union.

You ever notice how "democratic" staunch Union members can be when others' opinions differ from theirs'? :lol: