Canada adds a surprise 58,200 jobs in April

petros

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Ontario's economy will get back on track only if the price of vehicles returns to a sane level, would be mine unprofessional guess! :smile:
So we should go back to the days of banning imports or heavily taxing import vehicles, especially those ones built by pesky union labour in Japan and Korea?
 

Cabbagesandking

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The thing about that, Machjo, is that Minimum wage can either increase or decrease unemployment depending on the economy of the time and the type of unemployment that exists.

When it does increase (slightly) as evidence shows, then sane sociaties make up the shortfall since the jobs are bare subsistence and not worth the designation of employment.

The reality is that fair minimum wages improve society: are a stimulant; and relieve social programmes of part of their burden.

Those political ideologues who favour lower minimum wage do so because of their Laissez faire biases and, usually, to maintain a permanent underclass of cheap labour. It also keeps down the wage structure of society and that is what Right Wing Capitalism is all about.

Short sighted and in its long term disinterest. But good for this year's balaqnce sheet.
 

Machjo

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The thing about that, Machjo, is that Minimum wage can either increase or decrease unemployment depending on the economy of the time and the type of unemployment that exists.

When it does increase (slightly) as evidence shows, then sane sociaties make up the shortfall since the jobs are bare subsistence and not worth the designation of employment.

The reality is that fair minimum wages improve society: are a stimulant; and relieve social programmes of part of their burden.

Those political ideologues who favour lower minimum wage do so because of their Laissez faire biases and, usually, to maintain a permanent underclass of cheap labour. It also keeps down the wage structure of society and that is what Right Wing Capitalism is all about.

Short sighted and in its long term disinterest. But good for this year's balaqnce sheet.

You have no clue what you're talking about. Sweden, that bastion of "socialism", has never had a minimum wage. Instead, wages can be fairly negotiated via codetermination laws, and the government invests heavily to ensure the unemployed have the skills necessary for the jobs available.

You seem to be suggesting that anyone who supports eliminating the minimum wage is necessarily opposed to a social safety net.

It's inflation that needs curtailing not wages

Definitely we need to curtail inflation, and resource exploitation definitely helps on that front. As for wages, we need neither curtail nor raise them; just let the market decide.
 

JLM

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Back in the 70s P.E.T. in his wisdom (I know it's an oxymoron, or maybe just a moron) tried setting limits on inflation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mind you that wasn't surprising, didn't see the arrogant pr*ck eating pork and beans for a month to instill some incentive!
 

Machjo

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Back in the 70s P.E.T. in his wisdom (I know it's an oxymoron, or maybe just a moron) tried setting limits on inflation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mind you that wasn't surprising, didn't see the arrogant pr*ck eating pork and beans for a month to instill some incentive!

Had he considered cutting back on printing and spending? Just a thought.
 

taxslave

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Minimum wages in every jurisdiction in Canada are more than 20% lower already than they were 35 years ago. Wages for more than half the population are no better and for many worse than they were at that time. How does that help the economy?

How does the "greater" purchasing power help anything except overseas travel and imports? Travel that is becoming available to fewer people because of their reduced incomes and imports are only available for as long as you can pay for them.

There is no solution that the government of Ontario can introduce. Resource extraction has priced Ontario's manufactures out of world markets. It is also driving Canada back to the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries in its economic sophistication. The next commodity fall will mean economic disaster for Canada.

35 years ago minimum wage was about $1.50/hr. Now it is almost 7 times that. Meanwhile tradespersons wages have only gone up about 3 times. Like most dippers your math skills are non existent.
It isn't just the high wages demanded by unionized manufacturing that is causing us to be non competitive. Non union auto manufacturers pay nearly as much with bonus's. It is the ultra high taxes and environmental laws with no basis in reality combined with featherbedding union rules that are making us uncompetitive in the world market.
 

Machjo

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It sounds like that sentiment is on its way to becoming a consensus.

OK, maybe I was a little harsh in my workinig there, but at the same time I don't appreciate people assuming what I believe on all policies based on my beliefs on one single policy.
 

CDNBear

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OK, maybe I was a little harsh in my workinig there, but at the same time I don't appreciate people assuming what I believe on all policies based on my beliefs on one single policy.
You weren't harsh.

Your assessment was bang on. A consensus is forming.
 

taxslave

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Ontario teachers pension fund,that union bought a mine in the elk valley coal fields in B.C. gloryholed the pit and took a 25 year mine plan down to a 5 year mine plan which resulted in thousands of jobs lost for a good 20 years.I wrote to Ruth who was head of the union at the time and I was in the IUOE.She basically said they would do whey they had to do to make a plus 10% profit for their members and tough luck for ours.


I'll let you in on a little secret,when an exploration camp starts building semi permanent structures or an airfield......buy shares!!!!!!

Much the same as they did with TimberWaste. Fired all the company union crews and went to lowest bidder on each cut block. On an unsustainable basis. But hey they are an approved government union not the United Steelworkers red necks trying to pay the mortgage and put their kids through school.
 

JLM

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35 years ago minimum wage was about $1.50/hr. Now it is almost 7 times that. Meanwhile tradespersons wages have only gone up about 3 times. Like most dippers your math skills are non existent.
It isn't just the high wages demanded by unionized manufacturing that is causing us to be non competitive. Non union auto manufacturers pay nearly as much with bonus's. It is the ultra high taxes and environmental laws with no basis in reality combined with featherbedding union rules that are making us uncompetitive in the world market.

I'm pretty sure when I was working in Sayward in 1970 a friend of mine who drove logging truck for M & B was earning $4.45 an hour, have no idea what they earn today. $30?
 

Kakato

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The thing about that, Machjo, is that Minimum wage can either increase or decrease unemployment depending on the economy of the time and the type of unemployment that exists.

When it does increase (slightly) as evidence shows, then sane sociaties make up the shortfall since the jobs are bare subsistence and not worth the designation of employment.

The reality is that fair minimum wages improve society: are a stimulant; and relieve social programmes of part of their burden.

Those political ideologues who favour lower minimum wage do so because of their Laissez faire biases and, usually, to maintain a permanent underclass of cheap labour. It also keeps down the wage structure of society and that is what Right Wing Capitalism is all about.

Short sighted and in its long term disinterest. But good for this year's balaqnce sheet.
Minimum wage jobs are BS,we have lots of jobs available in the resource sector,eg-mining.
Why do peeps fight this all the time? Canada is a resource based economy,deal with it and let it flourish,too many ignorant people try to shut down these mining projects.
Maybe they are the ones with the minimum wage jobs,the internet is very powerfull about spreading bs and some are very good at it.
 

Cabbagesandking

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35 years ago minimum wage was about $1.50/hr. Now it is almost 7 times that. Meanwhile tradespersons wages have only gone up about 3 times. Like most dippers your math skills are non existent.
It isn't just the high wages demanded by unionized manufacturing that is causing us to be non competitive. Non union auto manufacturers pay nearly as much with bonus's. It is the ultra high taxes and environmental laws with no basis in reality combined with featherbedding union rules that are making us uncompetitive in the world market.

First, though it was not you who said it, I know very well what I am talking about. And there are many studies to support that. It is not a question of what works in Sweden. It could not work here at this time because of the low Union participation and the active anti-union position of government.

Does it have to be explained that, when comparing income levels, constant dollars are the currency?

Minimum wage in every Canadian jurisdiction is less than 80% of what it was in 1977. There are tables to show that. Tables that I have looked to a number of times in the past.

Non Union manufacturer's pay as much because of what Unions have won. And you, and every one on the forum are the beneficiaries of that. And that is what is being taken away from you - or from mos - as real incomes have started to decline.How can Union rules be making us uncompetitive in World markets when most potential markets other than the US have far more unionisation than Canada?

There are no "ultra high" taxes in Canada. Canada is in the lower half of OECD nations in its tax levels.

Environmental laws with no basis in reality! Are you the reincarnation of a 19th. century coal merchant?
 

Ron in Regina

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So we should go back to the days of banning imports or heavily taxing import vehicles, especially those ones built by pesky union labour in Japan and Korea?


There is still a $4000 surcharge on the sale of vehices not manufactured
in North America, isn't there?

Sorry, I should have said automobiles and not vehicles above.
 

Kakato

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First, though it was not you who said it, I know very well what I am talking about. And there are many studies to support that. It is not a question of what works in Sweden. It could not work here at this time because of the low Union participation and the active anti-union position of government.

Does it have to be explained that, when comparing income levels, constant dollars are the currency?

Minimum wage in every Canadian jurisdiction is less than 80% of what it was in 1977. There are tables to show that. Tables that I have looked to a number of times in the past.

Non Union manufacturer's pay as much because of what Unions have won. And you, and every one on the forum are the beneficiaries of that. And that is what is being taken away from you - or from mos - as real incomes have started to decline.How can Union rules be making us uncompetitive in World markets when most potential markets other than the US have far more unionisation than Canada?

There are no "ultra high" taxes in Canada. Canada is in the lower half of OECD nations in its tax levels.

Environmental laws with no basis in reality! Are you the reincarnation of a 19th. century coal merchant?
**** the studies.
Try real life cabbage.

First, though it was not you who said it, I know very well what I am talking about. And there are many studies to support that. It is not a question of what works in Sweden. It could not work here at this time because of the low Union participation and the active anti-union position of government.

Does it have to be explained that, when comparing income levels, constant dollars are the currency?

Minimum wage in every Canadian jurisdiction is less than 80% of what it was in 1977. There are tables to show that. Tables that I have looked to a number of times in the past.

Non Union manufacturer's pay as much because of what Unions have won. And you, and every one on the forum are the beneficiaries of that. And that is what is being taken away from you - or from mos - as real incomes have started to decline.How can Union rules be making us uncompetitive in World markets when most potential markets other than the US have far more unionisation than Canada?

There are no "ultra high" taxes in Canada. Canada is in the lower half of OECD nations in its tax levels.

Environmental laws with no basis in reality! Are you the reincarnation of a 19th. century coal merchant?
Unions are dead,most of us dont need a thug to manage our wages anymore.