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That may be the only way that anyone who values logic and freedom of thought will ever have a chance at belief in the divine...
That's not proof, Nflmir, that's presenting probabilities. It's my stance that gods probably don't exist based upon the grounds you just stated.
And you think THAT constitutes a reasoned response? To even say such things would require you to have a complete and total misapprehension of what it means for something to be true, and what natural selection is. Natural selection is the very opposite of a helter-skelter process, it's a ruthlessly effective pruner of inadequacy and it requires millions of years because the only way it can work is by operating on very small differences in reproductive success over long periods of time.
Down there? So you know this god is somewhere "up there"? Do you have GPS coordinates? I'd like to have a word or a couple hundred with these critters we call gods.
Argumentum ad populum. IOW, that's a fallacious argument in logic. People used to believe the world was flat once upon a time, too. Did that make them right?
Seeing as this critter is supposed to be all-knowing, it should have seen the mess it caused by allowing humans the right to choose beforehand. Logically ridiculous.
So they're saying the external world doesn't exist and it's all just in our heads? Everything we see is only electrical signals in our brains?
Well I think they got it half right. When we see hear or touch something it is represented with electrical signals in our brain and that is how we perceive the external world. If the nerve going to your eye is severed you will not perceive the external world through the light sensors that are our eyes but it will still be light in the external world.
of course, that way mankind has a way out for their own "mistakes". Blame God. Can't be taking responsibility for our own actions now, can we.
Or blame satan. Either way, people will do anything to avoid taking responsibility for their own actions.
Can you be sure of that? It the old "if a tree falls in the forest...." question, isn't it? How do you know that other brains are perceiving reality the same way you do? You can't.
Try this:
http://publications.nigms.nih.gov/thenewgenetics/chapter1.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin-never-knew.html
Oh, and BTW, some evolution only take months. It depends upon the lifeform as to how long things take to evolve.
lol You brought it up. I just thought you were joking, so I was playing with it.
It wasn't humans that designed and created everything (according to the Bible and other books anyway).
If you have a kid, who is responsible for it? Itself?
Most people don't. I'd suggest that those who do not believe in gods, demons, luck, etc. prefer to be self-actualized.
Sure you can. You can ask them.
It? Unbelievable..... actually, no it isn't as I remember the start of this conversation with your wife in regard to yours and her children and the derogatory way you both refer to them in. "It" indeed.
No it isn't. it's more a 'If I think therefore I am' reality. Or if you want to get really freaky about existentialism then lets take Nietzsche and Schrodinger literally. God is both dead and alive as god is something we cannot test or perceive.
That is exactly proof. The nature of lightning is so well understood that we can create strikes of lightning on cloudless days. Rocket Triggered Lightning Research - YouTube The tides come like clockwork because of the interactions between the moon and the sun and the earth, there is no god controlling it. Nor controlling the rising of the sun or the paths of the planets. These are not probabilities, these are purely deterministic phenomena that are well understood. Every person who has ever looked into these things knows with 100% certainty that they are not caused by the decisions of a god. The sun will not fail to rise one day because Apollo lost his chariot.
If a person gives a concrete definition of a god, then it may or may not have empirical and or logical consequences that completely rule it out. This is precisely the case with a literal interpretation of the bible, for instance. If the god doesn't interact in the world in any way, then in what way is it a god? If the god has some non-sensical characteristic, like so infinitely good that we cannot understand the goodnesss, that is when non-cognitivism enters, and it no longer makes sense to talk about it, like the integer between 2 and 3.
Indeed, that's the whole point of religion.
Whether you sacrifice a goat to insure good weather, or pray to Ernest Angely to cure cancer, it's the same concept.
If you need a crutch in life, might as well make it an organized religion.
Well, it's the whole point of it, so I would assume so. What else do you use it for, dating? Social networking? Employment contacts?