Who should be allowed access to your medical records?

Niflmir

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That sounds interesting.
I take it, by exam, you mean mental/physical(On top of the regular driving exam)?
For sure. Funny thing is, I have to do a medical exam to get a driver's license here in the Netherlands.

Nope, I certainly don't disagree with you there. As a matter of fact, I don't really agree with how far reaching some of those codes of conduct are either.
Yeah, I guess police officers, teachers and judges all need to uphold some sort of proper role model to the public. But all humans have vices and make mistakes, I want my role models to come in shades of gray too.
 

CDNBear

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For sure. Funny thing is, I have to do a medical exam to get a driver's license here in the Netherlands.
Makes sense.

You have to get one to drive truck here. On top of a medical history, and Practitioners are bound by law to inform the MTO, if you begin to suffer from any medical conditions that may affect your ability to safely operate a motor vehicle.
 

Niflmir

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Makes sense.
You have to get one to drive truck here. On top of a medical history, and Practitioners are bound by law to inform the MTO, if you begin to suffer from any medical conditions that may affect your ability to safely operate a motor vehicle.
That's good to know. I know my grandfather was driving well past the point where it was safe.
 

Vanni Fucci

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So you are saying that you should not have to divulge your medical info to qualify for health or life insurance?

Yes that's what I'm saying...if the insurance company wants to run examinations to test for health issues, that's fine, but they should have absolutlely no rights to withhold insurance for non-disclosure of medical history...

Ya, I followed your goalpost shuffling.

I made it quite clear from the OP that this was to be a discussion, you've turned it into some sort of immature little "you're wrong, I'm right" pissing contest...if anyone's been shuffling goalposts it would be you...

I've not only admitted that I was wrong (partly) on a a few points in that other thread, and repeated that here, but I've argued my case eloquently (for the most part) and given you plenty of opportunity to rebutt what I've posted...

You've chosen not to do so, just offering opinion with nothing to back it up...

So how about you offer something by way of contribution to further the discussion or sit down and shut up while the adults discuss this issue intelligently...

Thanks for being such a good sport Bear!

Trolls usually have links to law libraries in their bookmarks?

Just speculating why someone who is clearly not a lawyer would find necessary to bookmark a law library...unless they're in legal trouble a lot, or a troll who likes to argue every ****ing thing that certain people say...whatever, blather on then...
 

Kreskin

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I feel medical records are no ones business when it comes to hiring. Like Vanni says, if necessary do some observable screening. Disclosing medical records creates too much opportunity for discrimination and in my view is a violation of ones privacy.
 

JLM

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I feel medical records are no ones business when it comes to hiring. Like Vanni says, if necessary do some observable screening. Disclosing medical records creates too much opportunity for discrimination and in my view is a violation of ones privacy.

Yes and No. For airline pilots or firefighters yes, to deliver pizzas, no! :smile:
 

Vanni Fucci

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Yes and No. For airline pilots or firefighters yes, to deliver pizzas, no! :smile:

So airline pilots and firefighters are afforded less rights in our society than pizza delivery people?

No one should be forced to disclose medical history and thereby violate doctor/patient confidentiality unless it is to prevent an impending crime...in those cases though, there are legal remedies in place whereby section 1 of the Charter can be lawfully invoked.

In addition, forcing someone to disclose medical history for any other reason creates a reverse onus situation whereby one is acting on the presumption that one is withholding information on a historic disability for the purpose of deception and that only disclosure of the medical history records can prove that they're not...
 
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JLM

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So airline pilots and firefighters are afforded less rights in our society than pizza delivery people?
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Huh, are you kidding? I think Pizza delivery people would love to have the rights to the same pay as the pilot and the fire fighter! :lol: And I'd bet would gladly divulge his medical records to get it.
 

CDNBear

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I made it quite clear from the OP that this was to be a discussion, you've turned it into some sort of immature little "you're wrong, I'm right" pissing contest...
The only one with their peepee hanging out, is you.

if anyone's been shuffling goalposts it would be you...
LOL, I'm sure you think so. But you don't come off as very bright, so your claim comes with a ton of grains of salt.

I've not only admitted that I was wrong (partly) on a a few points in that other thread, and repeated that here, but I've argued my case eloquently (for the most part) and given you plenty of opportunity to rebutt what I've posted...
1, You were completely wrong. 2, You didn't do it without caveats, shifting goalpost or diversion.

You've chosen not to do so, just offering opinion with nothing to back it up...
LOL, you already provided the proof that my statement was indeed fact/correct. The issue now is, you feel silly and have to do everything and anything, to save some face. Instead of just saying, "Sorry Bear, you were right".

I'd love to understand why people like you have such difficulty admitting error.

So how about you offer something by way of contribution to further the discussion or sit down and shut up while the adults discuss this issue intelligently...
Intelligent adults don't usually say things like...

Emphatic NO...it does not depend at all on the career...

NO employer has any right whatsoever of even asking for you medical records, much less forcing you to provide them...

The notion is ridiculous...

When they obviously knew absolutely nothing about the topic. And don't even get me started on the claim you joined the military, without providing a medical history.

Thanks for being such a good sport Bear!
Mauling blow hards is more of just a digit exercise regiment, rather than a sport.

Just speculating why someone who is clearly not a lawyer would find necessary to bookmark a law library...unless they're in legal trouble a lot, or a troll who likes to argue every ****ing thing that certain people say...whatever, blather on then...
If you weren't so locked into myopic thought, basing claims on assumptions, misconceptions, and your feelings, you may have considered that I just enjoy discussing law. Sadly the only two I have found to be capable of doing that at any great depth, and/or reasonably, are Niflmir and Tonington. Although ITN, back in his hay day, stretched my brain and made it both educational and entertaining.

I feel medical records are no ones business when it comes to hiring. Like Vanni says, if necessary do some observable screening. Disclosing medical records creates too much opportunity for discrimination and in my view is a violation of ones privacy.
Isn't it reasonable to discriminate with regards to certain careers?

Do we really need an epileptic flying planes? Driving trucks?

So then the rights that one should be willing to give up is commensurate with how much pay they have the opportunity to receive?
No, it should be commensurate to the risk that they may be to society at large.

I thought you read the Oakes Test and 100's of case law articles?
 
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JLM

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So then the rights that one should be willing to give up is commensurate with how much pay they have the opportunity to receive?

I think you are going about things in reverse here. First of all we have a job, Second what is the purpose of the job? Third, what has to be done to ensure successful completion of the job? Fourth, what has to be done to prevent any unfortunate events? Every job has different criteria.
 

Kreskin

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How about have a doctor post his/her own medical records in their office waiting room?
 

Gavin Morgan

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I have high blood pressure.
I have high colesterol.
I have asteo arthritis.
I have, by all the above, a medical history, that I should be ashamed of.

Well, let the world see my medical history.
 

Kreskin

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I have high blood pressure.
I have high colesterol.
I have asteo arthritis.
I have, by all the above, a medical history, that I should be ashamed of.

Well, let the world see my medical history.
Members with high blood pressure are not allowed to post on this board.
 

taxslave

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That makes my day, guess I DON'T have high blood pressure!
We can fix that.

I think Vanni is off the mark by confusing privacy with suitability. If a person applying for a laborers job has a history of back problems then the prospective employer has a right to know this since it has a direct bearing on ability to perform the job duties.