Israel Warns Neighbors Over March To Jerusalem

[petros]

Pakistan is no threat neither are N Korea and Iran.

If Iran wanted to nuke Israrel they would have done it ages ago with a uranium bomb rather than trying for plutonium. They've only been pissing around with atoms for 61 years now. I'm sure they have their **** together to build a uranium bomb.

 

[earth_as_one]

You are hyper focused on Israel in a very unstable way. Like hating Jews would come to mind. What is the name for that?

The old fall back for Israeli apologists.

If the person starts to make sense and they are making a point which portrays Israel as less than a shining beacon of freedom and democracy then they must be anti-Semitic. A reasonable person couldn't be against an angry mob because they are attacking innocent people. That person must be against the angry mob because they are Jewish of course. A reasonable person couldn't be on the side of innocent Palestinians who just to live in peace. No anyone who criticizes Israel must be anti-Semite rather than be a supporter of universal human rights.

I am against the belligerents (The Israeli government, Hamas, Hezbollah....) in most conflicts including this conflict. I am always on the side of innocent civilians who want to live in peace. I support equally the right of both Palestinians and Israelis to live in peace. As an agnostic, I don't hate anyone because of their religion. I've never wrote or posted a negative thing about any group of people based on their nationality, race, religion, gender, sexual orientation.... I admit that I raise this conflict frequently on this forum, but the reason has more to do with our nation's support of one sides war criminals against innocent civilians. This is the only conflict where I disagree with the direction of the Canadian government. Its the only conflict where the Canadian government supports war criminals and their crimes. We didn't support the Iraq war, because our leaders knew it was an unprovoked war. But when it comes to Israel, for some reason, our government has forgotten basic Canadian values, which include a respect for human life, human rights, freedom and justice.

BTW, Judaism is a religion, not a nationality. Israel is a religious state. In general I am against religious states. As soon as a state has an official religion, it creates different classes of people. People who adhere to the state religion will always have more rights and freedoms than the people belonging to non-state religions. I am against the Iranian and Saudi governments for the same reason.

 

[CDNBear]

OK correction. "Nearly" everyone here has been conditioned to accept the simplistic "Israel=good" "Palestine=bad" paradigm.

Why did you allow yourself to be conditioned?

New information contradicting existing paradigms continues to be ignored or disbelieved.

True, you continuously ignore information, contradicting your preconceived notions. Which is why I make fun of you. Instead of discuss with you.

It really doesn't matter how overwhelming or conclusive the evidence I give to support my statement that on December 4, 2008 and angry mob of Israeli settlers committed a pogrom against innocent Palestinians.

No, what really doesn't matter, is your use of 4yo news, to further demonize Israel.

That level of proof would stand in a court of law, but many people continue to dismiss my claims about this event as biased propaganda, anecdotal, conjecture, anecdote, hearsay, and lies..

No I didn't.

How is that possible given the above evidence? That would mean the Israeli PM and Btselem are lying about Israeli settlers and Btselem got a group of Israseli settlers to participate in a staged video.

No, that would mean you think each thread is an island.

Yet here is what people on this thread wrote about this event:

That's not what I wrote about this event, liar.

This is what I said about this event...

Yes.

Yes.

No. Since they clashed violently with settlers, when the IDF forcibly removed them.

Yes.

To your very questions.

Your lies only confirm my observation, that facts mean nothing to you, while you further your agenda of demonization of Israel.

So far the posts on this thread indicate a continued disbelief that this event happened.

Not according to my answers, to your questions. Which you conveniently ignored.

... which proves a very high level of perception manipulation regarding this conflict.

No, it proves a very high level of contempt for your demonization of Israel.

Unlike you, I have no problem condemning both sides atrocities.

BS.

The old fall back for Israeli apologists.

Not at all. There have been several members through here that have been able to discuss Israel/Palestine, that weren't pro Israel. Lone Wolf being one of them.

But you aren't here to discuss, you're here to demonize Israel.

I can't think of any reason why you would do that, unless you hated Jews.

I am against the belligerents (The Israeli government, Hamas, Hezbollah....) in most conflicts including this conflict.

BS, you've defended Hamas, and called the Hezbollah, freedom fighters.

 

[earth_as_one]

CB, we've both been down this path before.

If you are going to rebut something, you'll have to quote me accurately first. I have little tolerance for people who invent $hit about others.

 

[earth_as_one]

Quote me accurately or don't quote me.

I have never made a single post in support of Hamas or Hezbollah war crimes. I've never made a single post in support of firing rockets and mortars at Israeli civilians. I've consistently condemned such actions as war crimes and I'll do it again.

Hamas and Hezbollah commit war crimes when they fire mortars and rockets at Israeli civilians.

I can also say:

On December 4, 2008 Israeli settlers committed a pogrom against innocent Palestinians.

IDF soldiers have abducted Palestinian civilians (including an 11 year old girl) and forced them at gunpoint to enter buildings where they believed armed militants were hiding in order to draw enemy fire and set off bobby traps... aka using civilians including children as human shields

IDF soldiers and Israeli settlers can murder Palestinian civilians with little fear of serious consequences.


How many of those statements can you make?

I'm on the side of innocent civilians, not war criminals.

 

[CDNBear]

Then you shouldn't have trouble finding your post then. I may have pointed that one side's terrorists are the other side's Freedom Fighters. But I've never made a single post in support of firing rockets and mortars at Israeli civilians. I've consistently condemned such actions as war crimes and I'll do it again.

LOL, that was cute. As if that's what I said. As if that's all they've done.

Hamas and Hezbollah commit war crimes when they fire mortars and rockets at Israeli civilians.

Ya I know.

I can also say:

On December 4, 2008 Israeli settlers committed a pogrom against innocent Palestinians.

Good for you. I can still say you support neo Nazi regimes.

IDF soldiers have abducted Palestinian civilians (including an 11 year old girl) and forced them at gunpoint to enter biuldings where they believed armed militants were hiding in order to draw enemy fire and set off bobby traps... aka using civilians including children as human shields

And you hate Jews.

IDF soldiers and Israeli settlers can murder Palestinian civilians with little fear of serious consequences.

And your agenda is to demonize Israel.

How many of those statements can you make?

Why would I do that? You already parroted them in a couple threads now.

Your parroting is more than enough thanks.

 

[Cannuck]

Quote me accurately or don't quote me...

LOL...good luck with that.

 

[taxslave]

OK correction. "Nearly" everyone here has been conditioned to accept the simplistic "Israel=good" "Palestine=bad" paradigm.
If I post something which challenges this commonly accepted paradigm regarding this conflict, nearly everyone here still maintains the same simplistic paradigm. Israel still = good, Palestine still = bad...regardless of the facts as supported by irrefutable evidence. New information contradicting existing paradigms continues to be ignored or disbelieved.
This thread is a good example. It really doesn't matter how overwhelming or conclusive the evidence I give to support my statement that on December 4, 2008 and angry mob of Israeli settlers committed a pogrom against innocent Palestinians. If my statements contradict or challenge preconceived ideas, then my statements are rejected or ignored regardless of supporting conclusive evidence.
In this case I have provided evidence, which taken collectively proves my statements to be true beyond a reasonable doubt:
1) A report by Israeli Human rights Group describing the event
2) The BBC reporting that Israel PM condemned the event as a pogrom.
3) A video of the event, where you can see the rampage with your own eyes
That level of proof would stand in a court of law, but many people continue to dismiss my claims about this event as biased propaganda, anecdotal, conjecture, anecdote, hearsay, and lies..
How is that possible given the above evidence? That would mean the Israeli PM and Btselem are lying about Israeli settlers and Btselem got a group of Israseli settlers to participate in a staged video. That's the only other possible scenario other than this event happened.
Yet here is what people on this thread wrote about this event:
My point here is to prove that we aren't getting all the information about this conflict in our MSM. Our MSM selectively gives us information, which supports the Israeli narrative of this conflict.
So far the posts on this thread indicate a continued disbelief that this event happened.
Most people don't have a problem condemning an angry mob on a rampage. I could reference the thread about the post Stanley Cup riots in Vancouver. Did anyone ignore or dismiss those reports about the Vancouver riots as anti-Vancouver propaganda?
I provided the same level of evidence proving this December 4, 2008 event riot occurred and yet got a completely different reaction.... which proves a very high level of perception manipulation regarding this conflict.

And your point? Or do you have one? Except that not all of us are blinded like you.

 

[Goober]

Unlike you, I have no problem condemning both sides atrocities.

The only person that believes that is you. And only an utter fool believes his own lies.

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[Cannuck]

The only person that believes that is you. And only an utter fool believes his own lies.

Hamas and Hezbollah commit war crimes when they fire mortars and rockets at Israeli civilians..

As much as I figure EAO to be a Joo-hater, he has at least admitted that both sides are committing crimes. Many of the Israeli apologists haven't done that.

 

[Goober]

As much as I figure EAO to be a Joo-hater, he has at least admitted that both sides are committing crimes. Many of the Israeli apologists haven't done that.

Yeah right. You can think that - I do not. And who are you referring to as Israeli Apologists?

 

[Cannuck]

Yeah right. You can think that - I do not.

You don't think what? That EAO is a Joo-hater or that he has admitted both sides have committed crimes? We all know his feeling on Israel and he posted...

"Hamas and Hezbollah commit war crimes when they fire mortars and rockets at Israeli civilians."

...so I'm not sure what it is that you don't believe.

 

[Goober]

You don't think what? That EAO is a Joo-hater or that he has admitted both sides have committed crimes? We all know his feeling on Israel and he posted...
"Hamas and Hezbollah commit war crimes when they fire mortars and rockets at Israeli civilians."
...so I'm not sure what it is that you don't believe.

So who are the Israeli apologists you referred to?

 

[Cannuck]

So who are the Israeli apologists you referred to?

People that apologize for Israeli actions.

You don't think what?

 

[Goober]

People that apologize for Israeli actions.
You don't think what?

Care to name who on this Forum meet that standard?

 

[Cannuck]

Care to name who on this Forum meet that standard?

Colpy springs immediately to mind.

You don't think what?

 

[Goober]

Colpy springs immediately to mind.
You don't think what?

Just one. Really - Apologists is plural

 

[Goober]

LOL...EAO has posted that the Hamas and Hezbollah commit war crimes. It's right there in black and white for all to see. We all know his take on the Joos so clearly he has pointed the finger at both sides. You have said you don't believe it but it is right here in black and white so I'm not sure what you could possibly not believe. .

You choose to believe and take EAO as credible - Good - stay on that road - your decision - I choose not to and stay on and have the same opinion of EAO that I have had since shortly after joining this forum.

That does not make me an Israeli Apologist.

 

[Cannuck]

You choose to believe and take EAO as credible - Good - stay on that road - your decision - I choose not to and stay on and have the same opinion of EAO that I have had since shortly after joining this forum.

That does not make me an Israeli Apologist.

He says that Hamas lobbing rockets at civilians is a crime. What's not to believe?

Do you believe Israel has committed crimes?

 

[Goober]

He says that Hamas lobbing rockets at civilians is a crime. What's not to believe?
Do you believe Israel has committed crimes?

I gave my answer - Like it or not. That is my answer.