Besides the fact that it's a multiplier for our economy, that would be a pretty bad precedent wouldn't it? How many folks do you think would want their money back for the RCMP? Or the military? Before you know it, who is funding anything at all?
CBC Braces For Deep Budget Cuts
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Besides the fact that it's a multiplier for our economy, that would be a pretty bad precedent wouldn't it? How many folks do you think would want their money back for the RCMP? Or the military? Before you know it, who is funding anything at all?
Never seen Artic Air if it is any good a private network will pick it up.
Rick Mercer cheep biased comedy any producer could copy.
Little Mosque on the Prairie,cheep politically correct pap.
The Nature of Things more biased politically correct pap.
CBC News the same as any other network. The political commentary however is biased.
I don't want nor do I think Canada needs any of the above from a national broadcaster.
Unfortunatly I am only one voice,however I am sure there are many who agree with me.
Aside from the fact that there is no multiplier in spending tax dollars since that is simply taking away your discretion as to where you spend your money. We sort of need the RCMP and the military whereas there are plenty of private broadcasters out there that cater to a wide variety of tastes.
I often listen to CBC news early in the morning but by 0800 I've heard it and change the station to one that has music. If we are far enough out , which happens I use satellite radio which is dirt cheap and has lots of choices.
That's a tough question to answer, but here's a starting point in the $3.7 billion claim.
The CBC and the voodoo of
"To be fair to the CBC, it is just repeating a platitude, which though mistaken is nonetheless widely disseminated. Indeed, just about everything and everyone under the sun brags about generating “economic spin-offs.” From the dairy industry to the nuclear industry, not to mention all sports and cultural activities, economic spin-offs are everywhere. If you believe all the claims of those who invoke some kind of “multiplier effect,” the Canadian economy should be 20 to 100 times bigger than it actually is.
But these evaluations rarely hold water. What are called the “economic spin-offs” of a project are usually just the result of a displacement of economic activity and do not represent real wealth creation. Robbing Paul to pay Peter does indeed benefit someone (in this case, Peter), but it creates no net benefit. "
Great a movie critic. so because the fact that you do not like a program it's enough to cut funding. sure. :roll:
oh yeah Dragons' Den
I suppose you prefer CTV or FoxNews.. way before Canada had FoxNews, I had it on my DirecTV. Sh!t, you were still probably sucking your mothers t!t when I started with DirecTV. (view from Apartment, English Bay)
I was one of those who thought, OH Canadian TV sucks.. ran down to Bellingham, WA to setup and account and a P.O. Box. in the year 1995.
17 + years of being a loyal customer of DirecTV and I have grown to have a greater appreciation for Canadian TV, Canadian Nationalism and Canadian Unity.. I will be traveling to the NWT this summer on vacation because of CBC ads.. spending $5,000 +
I will tell you what sucks.. THIS!! Go watch you're FOXNews
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Of course there is. That's the whole purpose behind lots of government funds. My company get's R&D tax credits from the Feds. Some from the province too. All my hours are tax deductible, to the tune of about 35% of my salary. Up to the first $3 million in qualified expenditures. After the $3 million amount is reached, it drops to 20% on everything else.
They're called SR&ED credits. These tax credit subsidies are valuable to the government, because for every $1 the government gives up in taxes, they get back $1.17 roughly in the taxable spin-offs. Companies hire more employees, and buy more equipment, and all of that generates more revenue for the government.
So, let's look at the CBC data we have and do some simple math. $1.7 billion turned into $3.7 billion. Let's use a constant population to make it easy, say 34 million. That means that for the $50 that they collected from each of us, it generated nearly $109 in economic activity. That's a multiplier.
We have city cops here. Why do we need the RCMP? There's some out there who would probably even say we don't need them at all. So who get's to pick and choose what they pay for? Some people would disagree with you, and if you take your money back, what's to stop others from taking their money back? I'm pretty sure Gerry says no to death, so funding wars is likely out for him, and lots of others too.
Because the option isn't to simply return a portion of their taxes....whomever wrote the article should know that... CBC funding is funded from general tax revenue, at the discretion of the government. If the CBC isn't funded, then the government simply spends it on something else. Sure, maybe they give a tax break, but they have to choose that, and they have multipliers for that too. The Deloitte analysis used the average multiplier our government uses when weighing the economic activity created by CBC. They looked at the activity for the money that would normally have funded CBC, if it was distributed to other programs. That was part of their analysis.
As for the tax dollars ending up growing in our hands? George W. Bush tried giving refund checks to stimulate their economy, and it failed. And he gave Americans over $600 per person, $1200 to couples and an extra $300 for each dependent.
CBC is funded significantly less than that. But hey it would buy you a liter of rum if you got it back.
Jesus, this guy can't have taken introductory economics. Is he an economist Captain Morgan???
He knows about zilch when it comes to the concept of utility. And pushing it that way shows that his argument is pure bunkum.
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Oh oh!! Tonington.. now don't you be picking on the Queens Cowboys.. now.
That's a National Symbol, known around the world.
Oh oh!! Tonington.. now don't you be picking on the Queens Cowboys.. now.
That's a National Symbol, known around the world.
Devil's Advocate.
It would be a huge mistake to cut C.B.C. radio- that is where I get most of the reliable news and keep abreast of what CANADIANS are doing and on Saturday evening they play good music.
Read the Captains post. This multiplier thing is largely bunk. The First Dollar is that brought in by exporting resources. Anything else is just recirculating existing money. All spending tax money does is the government directs where your spending goes instead of you deciding what you might like to purchase.
Junior gave taxpayers borrowed money to spend. He might as well have cut out the middle man and gave the money directly to businesses.
So, the government is subsidizing 35% of my salary, why? It's not bunk, what Captain peddled is free market crap.
Seriously, if you think that having two or three separate public broadcasters would produce equally good results, then there is something wrong with that picture. In economics it's called diminished marginal utility.
No, not true. If that were true, we could easily predict a new corporate tax base given a change to the corporate tax rate. It's not a one to one change.
I would imagine that the author is a little familiar with economics, afterall, I doubt that the Montreal Economic Institute would publish it on their website. In fact, I understand that the author was the former head of the Montreal Economic Institute.... But, what would he possibly know.
How about you, micro and macro econ in your 1st year?
... So, what was that you were saying about his argument being 'pure bunkum'?
Never mind Canada the CBC is one of the finest broadcasting companies in the world.
This government is about to treat the CBC with the same respect it has for the farm
community.
They will praise their achievements and state how valuable they are and then they will
stab them in the back.
CBC is the mainstay of the cultural society, never mind the right left divide, its about who
we are and why we do what we do. CBC radio doesn't get into the commercial end of
broadcasting therefore there is no companies who pay for adds that they are beholden to.
This is an organization that despite how much politicians try to destroy it, it keeps on
surviving and will get through this too.
The CBC will be around long after the conservatives are a mere memory in Canadian
history.
This government is about to treat the CBC with the same respect it has for the farm
community.
They will praise their achievements and state how valuable they are and then they will
stab them in the back.
CBC is the mainstay of the cultural society, never mind the right left divide, its about who
we are and why we do what we do. CBC radio doesn't get into the commercial end of
broadcasting therefore there is no companies who pay for adds that they are beholden to.
This is an organization that despite how much politicians try to destroy it, it keeps on
surviving and will get through this too.
The CBC will be around long after the conservatives are a mere memory in Canadian
history.
I hear you, five minutes of Coronation Street bores me to tears, but given the kinds of remote places you seem to hang around in, if it weren't for CBC you wouldn't have television at all. Which is part of the point of CBC in the first place. The private sector will not offer services where it can't turn a profit, the public sector can and does, that's what it's for.
My brother is addicted to Coronation Street but I have never worked up enough enthusiasm to even watch a complete episode. :lol:
I'm sure he knows lots, but he's a lawyer who runs a think tank. There's obviously some basic stuff he doesn't know, or he's doing like lots of other think tanks and trying to score political points while ignoring fundamental econometrics.
I had both in my first year. Required courses. His argument is full of wholes. If you disagree then perhaps you'd like to explain how the current accepted definition of utility is wrong, and explain his magical new paradigm.
It's bunkum.
I watch very little TV. As for books, I read American, British, Canadian, French, and others. Who cares? Culture is culture.
The problem I see with "Canadian Content" laws concerning Canadian programming is the same as with newspapers, magazines, books, music, etc. There is a whole world of cultures there, many books and info not available on Canadian content. Should we really limit our world view?
Never watch Fox news but then I am not paying for it.Great a movie critic. so because the fact that you do not like a program it's enough to cut funding. sure. :roll:
oh yeah Dragons' Den
I suppose you prefer CTV or FoxNews.. way before Canada had FoxNews, I had it on my DirecTV. Sh!t, you were still probably sucking your mothers t!t when I started with DirecTV. (view from Apartment, English Bay)
I was one of those who thought, OH Canadian TV sucks.. ran down to Bellingham, WA to setup and account and a P.O. Box. in the year 1995.
17 + years of being a loyal customer of DirecTV and I have grown to have a greater appreciation for Canadian TV, Canadian Nationalism and Canadian Unity.. I will be traveling to the NWT this summer on vacation because of CBC ads.. spending $5,000 +
I will tell you what sucks.. THIS!! Go watch you're FOXNews
[youtube]baGbFtmCPvU[/youtube]
pre FoxNews Canada
[youtube]x-6ZjEQwhrY[/youtube]
There are lots of other channels,but I don't watch much of them either.
And if it is any of your business I finished sucking my mothers tit long before 1995.
If that added any thing to the conversation.
I stand by my point anything available on CBC is easily cpoied or available on other networks.
If as another poster mentioned a first class broadcaster they can stand alone.
End all funding for CBC>
p.s.
I am also against tax $ funding private companies as well.
I would pull tontington's companies funding in a heartbeat.
It is not the governments place to pick winners and losers.