Fed up with Islam Yet???

gerryh

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just blowing your contention out the window about those that have Faith. That's all. When it comes to intelligence in this thread, the one claiming to not believe in God the loudest is the one coming out with the least.
 

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Bar Sinister

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What the fu ck are you talking about?????????????

The OP is about IRAQ... you know...the country that the u.s. "liberated".


I missed that. It never occurred to me that the country might be Iraq and not Iran - and I actually read the article. That certainly is a lesson for me in preconceptions. I will try to read more carefully in the future.

Got thinking about this.

Thought I would check out the views of a few people that were quite capable of original thought....

The three greatest scientific minds of all time (arguably)

Newton, da Vinci, Einstein.

Newton was a Deist, theology one of his obsessions........a believer.
Isaac Newton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

da Vinci was a skeptic, but of Catholicism, not of the existence of God........ another Deist??....a believer.
What was Leonardo da Vinci's Religion?

Einstein acknowledged his agnosticism, but denied atheism.....he believed in God, just not a personal God......
Albert Einstein's religious views - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That is three out of three.......in a discipline (science) often seen as the antithesis of belief in God.....

And it certainly belies your contention that belief destroys the ability to think...........

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Belief doesn't destroy the ability to think There are too many examples of great thoughts coming from men of god. But it can shut off rational thought in certain areas. It perhaps explains why so many obviously intelligent and successful people cling to a belief that the Earth is only 6000 years old. Clearly these people are quite capable of rational thought except in one area.
 

Dexter Sinister

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The three greatest scientific minds of all time (arguably)

Newton, da Vinci, Einstein.
A list of people who believe something to be true has nothing to do with whether it's really true or not. Newton was a wacko in a lot of ways, a singularly unpleasant personality, from all reports, who invested a great deal of energy in looking for alchemy's Philosopher's Stone. He's really the bridge between mediaeval magical thinking and modern scientific thinking, he had a foot in both worlds. It's not correct to call Einstein a deist, a pantheist in the style of Spinoza is the best you can get from him and even that's a stretch. Even granting deism, it's a long way from there to the personal deity of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. In fact you can't get from the former to the latter on the evidence, even Aquinas gave up on that argument.

And to answer the question in the thread title, which I don't think I've done yet, no, I am not fed up with Islam. I once worked for a Muslim, a Pakistani originally, deeply religious, and he was among the most sane, civilized, peaceable, and cultured of men. We had many long conversations about religious matters, and while we each believed the other to be fundamentally wrong, there was mutual respect and courtesy. That man will forever be the face of Islam to me. Two of my best friends are Lutheran ministers, a married couple, and again there is fundamental disagreement and many long conversations, with mutual respect and courtesy. That's the way it ought to be.
 
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Cliffy

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I think if you take any group as an example, religious, political, sports and this forum, you will find the full gamut of personalities from radical to moderate. It is kind of silly to pigeon hole any group. People should be taken as individuals, not by what they believe. I don't think Islam is any different from any other religion. I think they seem to have more wackos but that is probably because the media has been obsessed by them to the exclusion of others.
 

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DaSleeper is impressive in the fact he's successfully has trolled these forums for years and still remains a member.