No Hair cut for Anti Gay Gov.

[bluebyrd35]

More bigotry from Breezy.

You know there is a difference between observation of the obvious and bigotry. I know several hair dressers that are male and are gay... so what?? I also know of quite a few male orderlies that are gay, and I can understand how the more gentle and caring occupations appeal to those who's sexual genes are geared less to the warrior cast than the average. It works two ways, I have seen quite a number of female truck drivers with burly muscles, that many of their male counterparts step carefully around. Humanity does not fit into neat little boxes, but observation of that fact does not indicate bigotry.

As in... discriminate?

hmmmm.....you do realize that when choosing any candidate/ideal, you must discriminate?? When voting for one candidate, you are automatically discriminating against all others. Discriminating taste is choosing, in one's opinion, those persons/solutions, closest to one's ideal.

What is hard to accept is that this is even an issue in current times. But then "religious" laws are what keep the believers in prejudicial mode .........something that true spirituality would denounce in a NY second.
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Lots of people without as they say Religion that are racists.

And even more with religion are racists. The difference is that most religions insideously encourage that stance. Some early religious or familial indoctrination of secularists, unfortunately linger.

Can someone define "true:" spirituality?? For sometime, I was impressed with Ghandi's approach to spirit, but finding even this icon of the time, had some really nasty clay feet, pissed me off.

 

[EagleSmack]

You know there is a difference between observation of the obvious and bigotry. I know several hair dressers that are male and are gay... so what?? I also know of quite a few male orderlies that are gay, and I can understand how the more gentle and caring occupations appeal to those who's sexual genes are geared less to the warrior cast than the average. It works two ways, I have seen quite a number of female truck drivers with burly muscles, that many of their male counterparts step carefully around. Humanity does not fit into neat little boxes, but observation of that fact does not indicate bigotry.

Saying most male hair stylist are gay is not being a bigot? It most certainly is.

hmmmm.....you do realize that when choosing any candidate/ideal, you must discriminate?? When voting for one candidate, you are automatically discriminating against all others. Discriminating taste is choosing, in one's opinion, those persons/solutions, closest to one's ideal.

So denial of services to one who is different or thinks different is not discriminating? Interesting.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

=bluebyrd35;1552507]You know there is a difference between observation of the obvious and bigotry. I know several hair dressers that are male and are gay... so what?? I also know of quite a few male orderlies that are gay, and I can understand how the more gentle and caring occupations appeal to those who's sexual genes are geared less to the warrior cast than the average. It works two ways, I have seen quite a number of female truck drivers with burly muscles, that many of their male counterparts step carefully around. Humanity does not fit into neat little boxes, but observation of that fact does not indicate bigotry.



hmmmm.....you do realize that when choosing any candidate/ideal, you must discriminate?? When voting for one candidate, you are automatically discriminating against all others. Discriminating taste is choosing, in one's opinion, those persons/solutions, closest to one's ideal.

And even more with religion are racists. The difference is that most religions insideously encourage that stance. Some early religious or familial indoctrination of secularists, unfortunately linger.

Can someone define "true:" spirituality?? For sometime, I was impressed with Ghandi's approach to spirit, but finding even this icon of the time, had some really nasty clay feet, pissed me off.

Bluebird: (nice name btw) . Lovely to read a "voice of REASON" thx for being here. As you too know, nothing is black and white or fits in little boxes with a label.

Goober: there is no such thing as perfect spirituality in a HUMAN BEING. All humans are humans first. Inner spiritual growth is a personal path into a higher enlightenment.........where things like bias, judgement, prejudice, hatred , resentment and other such attitudes are gradually diminished into a calm and tolerant but reasonable essence. One of the first steps would be to get out of the idol worship thing. No person or thing should be idolized or given supernatural attributes. As all that does is create unrealistic expectations of said idol and becomes a trip wire for a fall. No human being can live up to unrealistic expectations. We see that dynamic in the celeb crowd all the time. They are built up and torn down on a whim.

Just sayin'

 

[bluebyrd35]

Saying most male hair stylist are gay is not being a bigot? It most certainly is.





So denial of services to one who is different or thinks different is not discriminating? Interesting.

Sof , If I state most women prefer pink cheek rouge than men do, I am not stating the obvious but being a bigot?? How many male hairdressers do you actually know??

I made no statement about denying services being discrimatory. Who cuts a bigot's hair should be the choice of the deliverer of the service. I would tend to discrimate selling an animal I raised to someone I knew would use it in a bloodsport, it is my right.

Any decision one makes in a choice between two or more options is by it's very nature, discrimatory. Any opinion acted on will be contrary to it's opposite.....

Try relating it to denying a child dessert when he/she refused to eat a meal. Sometimes even adults need to be reminded there are consequences to their actions.

 

[Machjo]

Gotta kind of wonder why an anti gay governor would go to a gay hairdresser in the first place.
Also got to wonder why so many of these anti gay marriage types don't want gays to suffer like straight men have to.

Is he anti-gay or anti-gay-marriage, or something else. Details matter too here. Maybe he had no issue with homosexuality per se, but only homosexual relations; one being a passive state of being, the other active expression.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

ES: did I not say that it was an OBSERVATION . Not a GENERALIZATION?? And as Bluebird says....there are professions that lend themselves to certain personalities . Hair stylists are artists and that requires creativity , pliability, flexibility etc......and many gay men are very well suited to that job. I have only met ONE heterosexual in the trade and he did not come close to the artistry and creativity that a gay man has. Again.....it is an observation. Not a generalization.

Instead of branding a poster a certain name.........why not present YOUR experiences .

Now.....Barbers are mostly ( again an observation) hetero sexual. But even that is changing as men go to stylists more frequently in current times.

In the final analysis........what matters is that one is happy with their stylist ......regardless of gender ORIENTATION. (not "preference" as that does not apply):smile:

 

[bluebyrd35]

Is he anti-gay or anti-gay-marriage, or something else. Details matter too here. Maybe he had no issue with homosexuality per se, but only homosexual relations; one being a passive state of being, the other active expression.

What!!....Tell me what the fine distinction between an anti-gay bigot and one who is against gay marriage??

Could that be because religion disapproves of the existence of a whole group of humans ?? You bet!!. But why?? It is like disapproving of diabetes.......!! Both are to due to genetics.

Marriage is a union between two persons/objects/definitions, inspite of sexual orientation. It is a state arrived at, in the case of humans, by mutual consent in most civilized countries. The state needs to simply acknowledge that union, and treat it as they treat the wedded majority.

Did you know that marriage was arranged by parents and/or a friend of the family of the groom, in biblical times. Negotiations entered into re dowry etc. without input from the bride who was merely a bargaining chip in many cases. There was no marriage ceremony, simply a blessing. It was considered official when the bride moved from her father's house to that of the groom's home. A man could divorce the wife, by simply by saying "I divorce you". Didn't work the other way around though.

Now, as a female, I do NOT think much of biblical marriage and wonder why gay or heterosexual persons are so bound up in restricting or gaining admission to such a state. Very choice example of stupid discrimatory wrangling.

 

[gerryh]

All the way through junior high school and the beginning of senior High I was picked on and bullied because I was perceived to be gay because of certain actions and traits. I was pigeon holed and stereotyped. Much the same as ob and bb are doing when talking about male hairdressers, and now male nurses. It IS a bigoted mindset and does NOTHING to forward GBLT rights and as a matter of fact moves them backwards rather than forward. We would be better off if idiots like ob and bb would keep their mouths shut about their "support" for GBLT rights as they do more harm than good.

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[CDNBear]

How many male hairdressers do you actually know??

None, but I know a swishy gay male wedding planner, whose mechanic husband is more manly than I.

We would be better off if idiots like ob and bb would keep their mouths shut about their "support" for GBLT rights as they do more harm than good.

Funny, that same swishy wedding planner and manly mechanic, say the same thing about Gay Pride and the bulk of its participants.

 

[Machjo]

What!!....Tell me what the fine distinction between an anti-gay bigot and one who is against gay marriage??

Could that be because religion disapproves of the existence of a whole group of humans ?? You bet!!. But why?? It is like disapproving of diabetes.......!! Both are to due to genetics.

Marriage is a union between two persons/objects/definitions, inspite of sexual orientation. It is a state arrived at, in the case of humans, by mutual consent in most civilized countries. The state needs to simply acknowledge that union, and treat it as they treat the wedded majority.

Did you know that marriage was arranged by parents and/or a friend of the family of the groom, in biblical times. Negotiations entered into re dowry etc. without input from the bride who was merely a bargaining chip in many cases. There was no marriage ceremony, simply a blessing. It was considered official when the bride moved from her father's house to that of the groom's home. A man could divorce the wife, by simply by saying "I divorce you". Didn't work the other way around though.

Now, as a female, I do NOT think much of biblical marriage and wonder why gay or heterosexual persons are so bound up in restricting or gaining admission to such a state. Very choice example of stupid discrimatory wrangling.

Who said I'm Christian?

 

[gerryh]

None, but I know a swishy gay male wedding planner, whose mechanic husband is more manly than I.

Funny, that same swishy wedding planner and manly mechanic, say the same thing about Gay Pride and the bulk of its participants.

Paul Brandt, before he became a country singer, was a nurse at Calgary Childrens Hospital and he is not gay. 2 of the nurses that my mother has in Royal Columbian Hospital are NOT gay. This stereotyping HAS to stop, and from what I have seen, the "straight" supporters are just as bad as the opponents.

 

[bluebyrd35]

Who said I'm Christian?

Your posts speak volumes

 

[Machjo]

Your posts speak volumes

If you guessed that I profess the Christian Faith, then you guessed wrongly.

I should add though that though I oppose homosexual relations, I do support protecting homosexuals from homophobic attacks.

Also, I do not stereotype male hairdressers or nurses as gay at all.

 

[gerryh]

see ob and bb, machjo would be one of those non religious bigots.

 

[bluebyrd35]

None, but I know a swishy gay male wedding planner, whose mechanic husband is more manly than I.

Funny, that same swishy wedding planner and manly mechanic, say the same thing about Gay Pride and the bulk of its participants.[/QUOTE)


And that matters why?? A good marriage or union, is about compatibility, love and respect, not about who shows more masculine or feminine qualities or features.

The gay pride parade has at least brought the bigots out front though hasn't it. Very difficult to counteract subtle discrimination.

 

[Machjo]

see ob and bb, machjo would be one of those non religious bigots.

I do believe in God, but just don't profess the Christian Faith. Call me a bigot all you want.

 

[CDNBear]

And that matters why??

Just pointing out the bigoted flaw in your commentary.

I know several hair dressers that are male and are gay... so what?? I also know of quite a few male orderlies that are gay, and I can understand how the more gentle and caring occupations appeal to those who's sexual genes are geared less to the warrior cast than the average.

You do realize, gay people serve in the military too eh?

The gay pride parade has at least brought the bigots out front though hasn't it.

It has? Are you saying a gay man, that finds the gay pride exhibitionism and stupidity, deplorable, is a bigot?

Very difficult to counteract subtle discrimination.

Is having an opinion about what is or is not an appropriate display in public, with public funding, discriminating?

 

[gerryh]

I do believe in God, but just don't profess the Christian Faith. Call me a bigot all you want.

I didn't say you didn't believe in God, I said you were non religious. Try reading AND comprehending.

I also don't need your permission to point out the obvious.

 

[Goober]

You know there is a difference between observation of the obvious and bigotry. I know several hair dressers that are male and are gay... so what?? I also know of quite a few male orderlies that are gay, and I can understand how the more gentle and caring occupations appeal to those who's sexual genes are geared less to the warrior cast than the average. It works two ways, I have seen quite a number of female truck drivers with burly muscles, that many of their male counterparts step carefully around. Humanity does not fit into neat little boxes, but observation of that fact does not indicate bigotry.



hmmmm.....you do realize that when choosing any candidate/ideal, you must discriminate?? When voting for one candidate, you are automatically discriminating against all others. Discriminating taste is choosing, in one's opinion, those persons/solutions, closest to one's ideal.

And even more with religion are racists. The difference is that most religions insideously encourage that stance. Some early religious or familial indoctrination of secularists, unfortunately linger.

Can someone define "true:" spirituality?? For sometime, I was impressed with Ghandi's approach to spirit, but finding even this icon of the time, had some really nasty clay feet, pissed me off.

I take it that you have stats to prove your point? Or is this just your opinion?

 

[gerryh]

I really wish you would clean up those quotes. It's damn near impossible to figure out who said what.