What has happened to common decency in our society?
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The situation certainly did not involve mature adults. Oh there may have been some 20-30 preying on 16 types there but mostly drugged, immature, and misguided kids, that is the nature of a rave.
We need to keep in mind that in years past, only about a third to half of your peer group may have ostracized you for "squealing" and likely the group one district or town over would never know. Now with social media, the world knows.
We need to keep in mind that in years past, only about a third to half of your peer group may have ostracized you for "squealing" and likely the group one district or town over would never know. Now with social media, the world knows.
Unreal. I rarely hand out reds, but this earned one from me.
Like a frozen rock.
Well, I agree to a degree, but I doubt everyone was too high to clue in.
This isn't prohibition Karrie, this is the lowest form of depravity that no human being should be subjected to. If you want to go along with it, that's your perogative, but if you choose not to be part of the solution you are part of the problem. What would you do had that girl been your daughter/sister/friend?
That girl has been my friend, JLM, and you probably know at least one silent person who's been through a similar situation. Only in my friend's situation it was alcohol induced, and happened at a bush party, not a rave. People saw, but no one saw 'force', she wasn't unconscious, but she also wasn't saying yes. Everyone who saw was drunk, no one could say 'she said yes' no one could say 'she said no'. They could attest to having seen sex happen but the docs and cops already knew sex had happened, so what more was there to say? Coming forward only would have gotten them into trouble with family for having been there in the first place, all for the sake of saying 'I don't know what I saw'. There was no public plea for information, because there was no internet to speak of. There was no desire on her part to spread it through news papers because she knew the limitations of what people had seen.
You spoke of wanting to tighten up laws surrounding drugs, it won't help prevent this type of thing from happening, or make witnesses to drunken deeds suddenly sober and aware of what's happening around them. That doesn't make me part of the problem, it simply makes me aware of the limitations of the law, and the habits of humanity. There's a jadedness that comes from having seen the limitations of 'he said she said' in the law, and having had to accept it.
I'm not sure that it's realistic to put a stop to this sh*t, but I think we should definitely be moving in that direction, would you agree and if so how would you propose is the best way to go about it?
Teaching people appropriate settings and behaviours when indulging in mind altering substances is step one. Like I said, show this article to the girls in your life, hell show them this conversation, so they know that certain situations can turn bad in the blink of an eye, and in a mass of drunken/stoned people, you can't count on the sober ones being by your side when **** happens. What you can count on is that fact that altered people don't make credible or knowledgable witnesses. The buddy system... one sober person to one altered person, is necessary when out drinking or partaking of drugs. One sober driver can't watch everyone when her four girlfriends go off the deep end and disappear to opposite corners of a party or club.
And no, none of that is saying the women involved are responsible for what happened to them. Rape is not the only catastrophy that can occur when someone gets too drunk/stoned. We had more than one bush party growing up where someone wandered off to the fringes of the party to toss their cookies and ended up passed out and 'lost', and decided to drive themselves home, or ended up in the hospital with alcohol poisoning. A buddy to watch your back is a must especially when 'learning to handle' your altered state.
People will always get high, get drunk. The US is learning the ramifications of trying to obliterate the drugs. All it does is drive things deeper underground, where people get even more reckless, and have even less protection from police and the law.
I got to thinking while taking my walk this morning that if there is a "silver lining" to this fiasco, that poor girl now knows who her "friends" are, which could be a huge benefit for the future. :smile:
Do you think being raised watching gory violent slasher movies from birth has anything to do with it? Or hearing the F word everywhere from mouths as young as a toddler? They are immune to the realities of life. Very scary. Glad I will not be here when these sociopaths are running the country.
Of course it does, when something is happening all the time, that means it's being condoned! Not rocket science! :smile:
Am I remembering this situation properly? Wasn't this girl given date rape substance. Could that have
happened before she ever went to 'that' area?
What is a girls condition after having her drink laced with that crap. What do women in that
condition do, how do they act, and if she was given that substance, is she still responsible for
what happened, as it isn't the same as willingly taking drugs and/or alchohol, then becoming
involved this way.
happened before she ever went to 'that' area?
What is a girls condition after having her drink laced with that crap. What do women in that
condition do, how do they act, and if she was given that substance, is she still responsible for
what happened, as it isn't the same as willingly taking drugs and/or alchohol, then becoming
involved this way.
