British Columbia debt near $60 billion.

petros

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This is what the interior of BC looks like. All those lovely light coloured patches are clear cuts. If you look closely you will notice that the majority of green patches are on really steep slopes. This province was raped and it is the timber industry that is at fault. Campbell cut most of the regulations, gutted the Forest Ministry and put the industry in charge of regulating itself (fox in charge of the hen house syndrome). So pointing fingers at unions and government regs doesn't wash. That is just passing the buck.
If you don't want to see trees cut down around you move to the prairies.
 

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This is what the interior of BC looks like. All those lovely light coloured patches are clear cuts. If you look closely you will notice that the majority of green patches are on really steep slopes. This province was raped and it is the timber industry that is at fault. Campbell cut most of the regulations, gutted the Forest Ministry and put the industry in charge of regulating itself (fox in charge of the hen house syndrome). So pointing fingers at unions and government regs doesn't wash. That is just passing the buck.

I'm just not sure how much of the blame can be laid to Campbell, soft U.S. markets had an impact as did the mountain pine beetle. I think clear cuts are alright as long as they are kept small- perhaps 320 acres- selective logging works good for a guy logging his own property with a team of horses, but isn't too safe for "high lead" logging. Those clear cuts can also be replanted for another harvest in 80 years.
 

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I agree. Cut off all the politicians and CEOs. They are the free loaders with the biggest pensions.

You're 75% right but you on a slippery slope when you say ALL.

Try 25. Trees hugged in 1987 are ready for harvest today.

Yeah, works good for Xmas trees. :lol:

If you don't want to see trees cut down around you move to the prairies.

And live in tents not houses! :lol:
 

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I'm just not sure how much of the blame can be laid to Campbell, soft U.S. markets had an impact as did the mountain pine beetle. I think clear cuts are alright as long as they are kept small- perhaps 320 acres- selective logging works good for a guy logging his own property with a team of horses, but isn't too safe for "high lead" logging. Those clear cuts can also be replanted for another harvest in 80 years.
A tree farm is not a forest. If we have to wait 80 years to cut more trees there won't be anybody around who knows how to cut them. I'll repeat this one more time. When I got here in 72, everybody had a job. There were 3 or 4 times more people employed in the industry and about 1/3rd the trees were being cut than in 2000. Then everything was mechanized and only 1/3rd the people were employed and 3 times more trees were being cut annually. The forests were creamed off and now only steep mountain sides that economically unviable are left. Yes the mountain beetle has devastated much of what was left of our pine forests, but there is a logical and scientific explanation for that and it points back to human greed. It stems from industry and government only seeing dollar signs instead of eco systems.

You're 75% right but you on a slippery slope when you say ALL.

Yeah, works good for Xmas trees. :lol:

And live in tents not houses! :lol:
I have built several houses for myself using standing dead trees and recycled lumber from abandoned mining operations. First off people demand houses that are far bigger than they need and two, logging methods, particularly clear cutting, are unsustainable. Saying that selective logging is not feasible is pure nonsense propaganda fed to us by the greedy timber industry. Ask the Swedes.
 

petros

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Yeah, works good for Xmas trees. :lol:



And live in tents not houses! :lol:
6-9 years for an X-mas tree.

We have no shortage of aspen, fir and spruce in SK.to build houses. If BC doesn't want to benefit, other provinces wil gladly meet the demand.
 

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"Forest fires" can be healthy.................as long as they can be controlled.

Don't expect to have any form of control on that. The forestry management techniques over the last decades have ensured that there are a couple of meters of deadfall (read: kindling) all over the place.

It won't be pretty, but at least the forests weren't logged - there is some comfort in that.
 

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I'm not sure of that, might be able to transfer some from the welfare budget. We'd lose much less merchantable timber.

I suppose that it might make sense to get the welfare population working on setting up the program. At least BC might see a little value for the monies spent - other than opening a few new Insite offices that is.
 

petros

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I suppose that it might make sense to get the welfare population working on setting up the program. At least BC might see a little value for the monies spent - other than opening a few new Insite offices that is.
It would cost far far more to house and feed people in remote locations while they work than to have them run freely on the streets.

Perhaps if BC had a real economy there wouldn't be so much welfare?
 

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It would cost far far more to house and feed people in remote locations while they work than to have them run freely on the streets.

Perhaps if BC had a real economy there wouldn't be so much welfare?

Forestry, agriculture, fishing, mining, tourism, manufacturing, natural gas, ranching, ship building, deep sea ports................how much more real can we be?