We are all responsible for the plight of Canada’s first nations

[Nuggler]

Doesn't everybody know everything in grade nine? I always figure when you're young you think you know everything, but when you get older you realize how little you really do know.

I knew I wanted to go back to grade 8. BIG high school -- BIG crowds --:shaking2: The older I get, the more I think if would have been a good idea.

As to the First Nations, I have, as usual, no freaking clue, and nothing positive to add to this thread. Do wish them well. Carry on.

However;--------- I don't feel I'm responsible for anyone's plight, except my own. If I may be of assistance, real assistance, don't hesitate to call. Will do what I can to help.

And, I don't mean just passing out pamphlets at some fukking feelgood seminar.

 

[CDNBear]

That is essentially what dumpy said in his usual eloquent way.

Not really.

Yes, aboriginals must conform to be just like we are.
Some have become similar to us, some haven't. But it's unrealistic to expect FN peoples to be the same.

Actually, if you were to change the subject of who should change, to say, any other visible minority. Many people here who rail against First Nations wishing to maintain their unique culture. Would be screaming racism/bigotry.

 

[L Gilbert]

Not really.

Actually, if you were to change the subject of who should change, to say, any other visible minority. Many people here who rail against First Nations wishing to maintain their unique culture. Would be screaming racism/bigotry.

Most likely.
I just think rather than people expecting FNs to adapt to their society, FNs could adapt Canadian society to fit their societies.

 

[CDNBear]

Most likely.
I just think rather than people expecting FNs to adapt to their society, FNs could adapt Canadian society to fit their societies.

There's people here, that would call that racism too.

Their not very well read, when it comes to First Nations. As you've seen.

 

[L Gilbert]

Oh yeah. Hence my comment about Custer a few posts back. lol

Recognition of societal differences isn't racism any more than recognition of skin color is. Racism, AKA bigotry, has to do with subordinating, not differentiating.

Um, good morning, Bear.

 

[Machjo]

Your fascism aside. They tried that already, with legislation and forced assimilation.

It didn't work.

And lets not forget, self determination is a fundamental human right.

We could rescind the Treaties and give them their land back, I suppose.

 

[Nuggler]

We could rescind the Treaties and give them their land back, I suppose.

Yep, and I could go back to Scotland and raise sheep...............not likely to happen either. The Brits levelled our little stone shanty. Took the sheep too, the bawstards. At least they provided steerage for me great great great greats, and they git while the gitten was good.

And I hate sheep.

 

[Cliffy]

Yep, and I could go back to Scotland and raise sheep...............not likely to happen either. The Brits levelled our little stone shanty. Took the sheep too, the bawstards. At least they provided steerage for me great great great greats, and they git while the gitten was good.

And I hate sheep.

I can relate: I can't wear wool (itches like the Dickens) and they don't taste so good. But their milk is sweet and as close to human mother's milk as anything on the planet. Makes pretty good cheese too.

And being of British decent, I agree with anybody who thinks the Brits done them wrong. Civilized barbarians they are.

 

[Cannuck]

And being of British decent, I agree with anybody who thinks the Brits done them wrong. Civilized barbarians they are.

Maybe you should give everything you own to Nuggler as restitution for all the things "your people" did to "his people"

 

[Liberalman]

First Nations do not want to be Canadians they just want their land back so they can develop it the way they want.

This is why settling land claims with the aboriginals are so important for Canada.

Canada decided to keep their promise and keep the treaties although over the years the government did not fulfill all al the promises the legal document is still in force.

 

[Cannuck]

First Nations do not want to be Canadians...

If they don't want to be Canadians then they should not be Canadians. Contrary to what you say though, I know of First Nations that want to be Canadian.

 

[Liberalman]

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If they don't want to be Canadians then they should not be Canadians. Contrary to what you say though, I know of First Nations that want to be Canadian.

Most First Nations don't want to be Canadians they would rather be a nation within a nation as Harper put it.

 

[Cannuck]

Most First Nations don't want to be Canadians they would rather be a nation within a nation as Harper put it.

You've been listening to too much of CB's propaganda. Just because special interest mouthpieces spout this nonsense, that does not make it so.

 

[Machjo]

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If they don't want to be Canadians then they should not be Canadians. Contrary to what you say though, I know of First Nations that want to be Canadian.

I have no reason not to believe you. In fact, I may have met plenty myself but would not know since I was not discussing that particular subject with them. That said, I'd met at least one First Nation member who did not consider herself Canadian. Like in every other community, there it diversity. Heck, I'd met an Algonquin Muslima once, which was quite a surprise at the time, but looking back on it, why not in this cosmopolitan world of ours.

 

[Cannuck]

I have no reason not to believe you. In fact, I may have met plenty myself but would not know since I was not discussing that particular subject with them. That said, I'd met at least one First Nation member who did not consider herself Canadian. Like in every other community, there it diversity. Heck, I'd met an Algonquin Muslima once, which was quite a surprise at the time, but looking back on it, why not in this cosmopolitan world of ours.

Generally speaking, there are two types of people in this world, those that look forward and those that look backwards. There is no reason why any forward thinking person would not want to be a member of one of the greatest countries in the world. Aboriginals that do not want to be Canadian are like Kweebeck separatists. They are morons but hey, it's a free country. Even morons are entitled to an opinion.

 

[DaSleeper]

And you post yours ad nauseum.....

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

As to the First Nations, I have, as usual, no freaking clue, and nothing positive to add to this thread. Do wish them well. Carry on.

However;--------- I don't feel I'm responsible for anyone's plight, except my own. If I may be of assistance, real assistance, don't hesitate to call. Will do what I can to help.

And, I don't mean just passing out pamphlets at some fukking feelgood seminar.

I don't have much of plan, and neither does anyone else. The best plan is what South Korea had done, gone from a third world country mid-century, with an income of a dollar a day like Africa to creating companies like LG, Samsung and Hundai. Definite land rights and private property. They decided they would rather be like Canada than Nigeria. With far less land and resources than either.

No more tradtional land ownership that allows, "My grandfather walked that land 300 years ago, you can't do nothing to that land, no pipeline, no factory-unless of course you pay me big royalty payments, I want to be a rentier." The less third world culture we have in Canada, the better. Time to close down the dukedoms, principalities and fifedoms scattered across the country that can't support themselves.

I was compared to Custer. That's more than hopeless.

 

[Machjo]

I don't have much of plan, and neither does anyone else. The best plan is what South Korea had done, gone from a third world country mid-century, with an income of a dollar a day like Africa to creating companies like LG, Samsung and Hundai. Definite land rights and private property. They decided they would rather be like Canada than Nigeria. With far less land and resources than either.

No more tradtional land ownership that allows, "My grandfather walked that land 300 years ago, you can't do nothing to that land, no pipeline, no factory-unless of course you pay me big royalty payments, I want to be a rentier." The less third world culture we have in Canada, the better. Time to close down the dukedoms, principalities and fifedoms scattered across the country that can't support themselves.

I was compared to Custer. That's more than hopeless.

Yes, but South Korea also did all this on its own terms while keeping its own language and culture. Are we prepared to give First Nations the same kind of freedom as South Korea? This would also include control of resources just like South Korea?

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

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If they don't want to be Canadians then they should not be Canadians. Contrary to what you say though, I know of First Nations that want to be Canadian.

Then they ought to be publicized , those who go against the official grain and mouthpieces of the media. the debate so far is too stifled. They need to express their disagreement with the way things are. Canada is a democracy where discussion of all issues are permitted. There are over 600 reserves in the country, there's plenty of diversity here.

 

[L Gilbert]

I was compared to Custer. That's more than hopeless.

Why is it hopeless? You probably know just as little about Custer as you do FN people.

Then they ought to be publicized ,

They are.

those who go against the official grain and mouthpieces of the media. the debate so far is too stifled. They need to express their disagreement with the way things are.

They do.

Canada is a democracy where discussion of all issues are permitted. There are over 600 reserves in the country, there's plenty of diversity here.
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But you would still rather FN people conform to your ideals, discussion or not. That's flatout bigotry.