What would YOU want to hear at church?

[MHz]

You are the one struggling with the Bible for decades, soon as I picked it up and started r4eading in 1988 I got some sort of 'message' that summed up ot clarified what i had read. What was your path, memory from some childhood stories you heard in Church or something equivilent. As it is you just blew off two places where you could have commented on the Bible and zero words for either topic, yet you had time to type this dribble, pretty much shows your whole agenda, one that hasn't changed in the few years we have chatted. Youi almost make it sound like a 'good-bye', let's see how long it takes before you break it.

 

[L Gilbert]

Nope. All reliable testimonies support and lend evidence for the Bible. Everything I see in life, in my culture, in history, and in my own life confirm again and again that the Bible is correct and remains to be trusted.

Your Bible and your religion don't allow you to look anywhere but from one perspective. So it's not surprising that you miss a lot of stuff.

 

[lone wolf]

You are the one struggling with the Bible for decades, soon as I picked it up and started r4eading in 1988 I got some sort of 'message' that summed up ot clarified what i had read. What was your path, memory from some childhood stories you heard in Church or something equivilent. As it is you just blew off two places where you could have commented on the Bible and zero words for either topic, yet you had time to type this dribble, pretty much shows your whole agenda, one that hasn't changed in the few years we have chatted. Youi almost make it sound like a 'good-bye', let's see how long it takes before you break it.

That was the hot bitumen fumes....

 

[L Gilbert]

Christians have historically been understood as those who accept the Biblical version of the gospel, and the Bible as God's word. Those who reject the Bible have been understood as heretics and enemies of Christ.

According to Christians. So? Not all of us follow Christianity, so we have different views. There's no more proof that Christianity is end or the means to everything. There's no proof that ANY philosophy is.

The Bible is either God's word, or it is not. If it is not, then what has your version of "God" given you to understand and discern truth? What is your foundation? Dreams?

The last I heard the Bible was written by people who THOUGHT they were writing YHVH's word. Anyone can think anything they wish.
Reason.
Evidence and reason.
Dreams are just the brain's way of sorting itself out, IMO.

That sort of attitude under-girds the destruction of our post-modern, sophisticated Western culture that is falling apart because of its rejection of God.

Opinion. Everyone has one. Mine is that accepting that we screw up and working towards not screwing up again frees us from the millstone that guilt places around our necks.

 

[lone wolf]

Christians have historically been understood as those who accept the Biblical version of the gospel, and the Bible as God's word. Those who reject the Bible have been understood as heretics and enemies of Christ.

Is that by your definition ... or Christ's?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

So the theory goes that for 'normal' and 'natural' there is 'evidense', ....... why are 'para' and 'super' versions held to the same standards...

Why shouldn't they be? Just because something has a different name is no reason to use different standards. The paranormal and the supernatural offer testable claims about the nature of reality, they should be properly tested. And when they are, they fail. Not just some of the time, or even most of the time, but every time, all the time, without exception. After over a century of serious scholarly investigation that so signally fails to produce any positive result, the only reasonable conclusion is that the phenomena are not real, but are instead compounded of perceptual and cognitive errors.

 

[Cliffy]

That sort of attitude under-girds the destruction of our post-modern, sophisticated Western culture that is falling apart because of its rejection of God.

No, people are turning away from religious dogma and the self righteous that claim to represent the interests of god. Fundamentalists are turning thinking people off.

 

[lone wolf]

No, people are turning away from religious dogma and the self righteous that claim to represent the interests of god. Fundamentalists are turning thinking people off.

Odd how these 'Christian' fundies look down their noses at Muslim fundies for doing exactly the same thing....

 

[L Gilbert]

All the Bible's fault and nothing to do with you personally? If you believe that you are fooling yourself or you are just clutching at any straw you can to remain 'correct' in your current beliefs.

Again, that's your opinion. I have a different one.

Clarity is a little here and a little, if God put out 10 passages about the 'day of return' and they are in 10 different books in the Bible do we go looking for them and read them as part of the total information available. 10 passages is going to make something clearer than 1 passage.

Repetitiveness does not make something necessarily true.
besides, if Biblical scholars are still arguing over what the Bible means when it says things, even with the "clarifications" then obviously it isn't clear.

Yes it is, the 'signs' that show that the 'day of the lord' is happening is so unique that it cannot be faked or mistaken for anything. Only people that have repented get to see that part so it is not a gathering tool, it is a reward for already being gathered. The ones not gathered at that moment are still gathered later so they are not 'lost'.

Bullshyte. Like I said, I could render the entire message (the important parts) down to the "golden rule".

Not all of our history books a fully compatible with each other, the Bible is unique because it is fully compatible with itself even though it has many authors and it was written over 1,000's of years, yet it reads as if written by a single author that tells a flawless story about mankind and two bruises. The OT is a very detailed account of real people and events leading up to the completion of one bruise, the physical death of one man on a cross.

That may be true, but they all have a purpose to the overall story the Bible tells, the one that mesh that are OT and NT passages are the most interesting because they would be the hardest for 'an author' to 'add-in' to an already complicated story.

Repetitiveness is not any guarantee of accuracy. Like I said, the bit about the worldwide flood is nonsense regardless of however many times it's paraphrased, repeated, etc.

Today or over the last 1,000 years or so?

It doesn't matter. Like people keep mentioning, there are loads of similarities between Biblical tales and older ones. Some people find the Tao Te Ching perfectly easy to follow. Or the Vedas. Goodness/badness is a human trait, not a Biblical one.

None being offered. If you see God as the 'type of parent' that would send their own kid to their room for breaking a rule and then never opening the door again then so be it, I think you stopped reading too early.

Nope. I still read. I read about kids born with all sorts of nasty diseases, starving, etc. and they are people that have never harmed anyone in their life nor even have had a chance to learn good from bad. They still die, though. So is that their fault, or is it because your YHVH doesn't give a crap, or is it because your YHVH is a sadistic jackass?

Like being created from 'nothing' (what existed before the Big Bang), lol) Talk about a dreamer.

You need to get your beak out of the Bible and pay attention to science more.
Theoretical physics breakthrough: Generating matter and antimatter from the vacuum

 

[Spade]

Select the best answer

Question 1.
Why is Gawd not in her heaven?
A. She cannot stand listening to holier-than-thou Christian fundamentalists.
B. She prefers intelligent company.
C. She is Hindu
D. She has created heaven on the Australia-as-prison British model.

 

[Cliffy]

A woman CNN journalist heard about a very old Jewish man who had been going to the Western Wall to pray, twice a day, every day, for a long, long time.

So she went to check it out. She went to the Western Wall and there he was, walking slowly up to the holy site.

She watched him pray and after about 45 minutes, when he turned to leave, using a cane and moving very slowly, she approached him for an interview.

"Pardon me, sir, I'm Rebecca Smith from CNN. What's your name?

"Morris Feinberg," he replied.

"Sir, how long have you been coming to the Western Wall and praying?"

"For about 60 years."

"60 years! That's amazing! What do you pray for?"

"I pray for peace between the Christians, Jews and the Muslims."
"I pray for all the wars and all the hatred to stop."
"I pray for all our children to grow up safely as responsible adults and to love their fellow man."
"I pray that politicians tell us the truth and put the interests of the people ahead of their own interests."

"That’s beautiful - and - How do you feel after doing this for 60 years?"

"Like I'm talking to a f*cking wall."

This kinda sums up what it is like trying to reason with the Htz man, Alley and adapted.

 

[adopted]

Is that by your definition ... or Christ's?

Seeing as He fulfilled the prophets and appointed the apostles, that would be His definition.

Your Bible and your religion don't allow you to look anywhere but from one perspective. So it's not surprising that you miss a lot of stuff.

I miss a lot of lies.

Odd how these 'Christian' fundies look down their noses at Muslim fundies for doing exactly the same thing....

I admire Muslim "fundies" for their zeal; I pity them for their faith in a lie.

 

[lone wolf]

Seeing as He fulfilled the prophets and appointed the apostles, that would be His definition.

So ... you're telling me you're a better 'Christian' than those of us who are comfortable enough in our faith to question it?

I admire Muslim "fundies" for their zeal; I pity them for their faith in a lie.

Don't you mean your BELIEF it's a lie?

See what I mean by arrogance?

 

[adopted]

So ... you're telling me you're a better 'Christian' than those of us who are comfortable enough in our faith to question it?

I don't see anything dishonourable in questioning things. In fact, it's noble. So no -- I don't consider myself better than those who question things. In fact, I consider myself among those who question things. I just always find that the scripture is the only thing that repeatedly satisfactorily answers my questions.

Don't you mean your BELIEF it's a lie?

See what I mean by arrogance?

Yes, my belief. You don't have beliefs? If you didn't have beliefs, then you wouldn't really say anything in this thread, would you? If the possession of beliefs is the definition of arrogance, then... wow, you got me -- I'm arrogant! Or is the key issue about what particular beliefs one possesses? Certain beliefs are arrogant and others aren't?

 

[Spade]

Some beliefs are simply damn foolish. For instance, "honour" killing, millennianism, end-time theology, the Bible as science, the earth rests on the back of a turtle.

 

[lone wolf]

Yes, my belief. You don't have beliefs? If you didn't have beliefs, then you wouldn't really say anything in this thread, would you? If the possession of beliefs is the definition of arrogance, then... wow, you got me -- I'm arrogant! Or is the key issue about what particular beliefs one possesses? Certain beliefs are arrogant and others aren't?

Good shuck and jive.... A classic definition. Webster's couldn't define it any better.

Sure I have beliefs - one of them being faith is a personal thing, thus an opinion. To tell me my opinion is wrong is to tell me I am wrong - that there is something wrong with me. Who do you think is the preferred soldier in your 'army of God' ... one who is book smart or one who is world wise? Think about it.... If your book happens to be wrong, how will you twist your way out of the mess you'll be in?

Another of my beliefs is here and now be Heaven or Hell and it all depends on how you live your life.

BTW.... You'll note I'm not telling you to live my life

 

[Omicron]

http://tunes.digitalock.com/sahbfaithhealer.mp3

First... if this response is to be used in any Priest/Pastor's teachings, then any earnings from it must be donated back to charity.

Second... if this response is used by any Priest/Pastor to teach, then insolong as they do not use it on the side of financiers keeping the colour back-pages of the Georgia Strait looking good for them to feel like they are not looking for a way to make enough money to build a robot looking like their dream mate in order to pretend they are sharing physical love with another soul...

OR

You could get back into the groove.

There's lots of non-evil spirits died before their time now in the zone of "spiritual recess" in a situation to (in dream connection) catch up and get baptized and go through experiences as if they had lived full material lives etc. before the day of judgement. (To get that you might have to study LDS, the only one of the three religions to take advantage of the American Revolution against dick-hole autocracy to show power).

http://tunes.digitalock.com/sahbfaithhealer.mp3

Currently western hemisphere is in a state of feeling effects of playing with the ability to make currency and trust-of-trade out of sales and marketing via agencies like the Federal Reserve promising to at least do it responsibly.

If the Federal Reserve was so strong and good, it would have been the first, as a private-sector, for-profit organization, to see what the dorks on Wall Street were up to to bring down the economy and destroy home-ownership stability in 2008.

That means the private sector has cut out the Federal Reserve from inside information...

Therefore it is time to take back the power of the Federal Reserve and give it to something like...

Seriously... I am curious... what would happen if the Mormon Church became the controllers of the national money supply?

And...

Blast...

http://tunes.digitalock.com/mynameisbosephus.mp3

I apologize for posting this in the "I want to hear this in Church" thread.

Where's the "Hanging out with Jesuits if I bring the wine" thread? They always had great cheese and the best bread.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

... I pity them for their faith in a lie.

And they no doubt feel the same about you. You're both right.

 

[Omicron]

Next thing I want to hear in Church is how to get along and do business with Georgian/Alabamians.

Seriously... they're the one's having weekly prayer meetings, yet I am the one making business.

Do they want to hear this? http://tunes.digitalock.com/dropyourguns.mp3

That's how they act. I know how every Canadian around can punch me into the ground for me to learn to leap like a jack-rabbit, but they...

... are existing on a level of fear I have never seen before...

They are afraid that if someone is uninhibited, then those must be dangerous, as if everyone is evil, and must therefore be held under a perpetual state of depressing terrifying discipline.

They never went through anything like the education system of Lethbridge Alberta in the early 70's.

So... hmm... a Church sermon...

"Ladies and gentlemen, we have a special speaker this week

"He says he's an Angles. He says his name is Tyrial.

"We shall welcome Tyrial the Angle into our church this weekend

"What do you have to say Tyrial?

Tyrial says nothing. Leading to the next question...

"Aside from how I see you humans do all the same stupid things leading to the revolution of Angels against the Creator?"

P: "From now on we are going to denote my statements with a capital P in front of it, and in front of yours with a capital T".

T: "Why am I hear?"

P: "Exactly... you should be in in smarmy state of blissfulness for being an angel of heaven... like this...: http://tunes.digitalock.com/fireball.mp3

T: "F-ck you".

P: "I told you how your power as Angels could be used more powerfully towards occupation of the universe by the best souls."

T: "You do not know what you are up against" http://tunes.digitalock.com/frozen.mp3

P: You are a moron and do not know what risk God took creating us after the mistake of you.

Pretend before me you see a skater.

Pretend you see a guy holding knuckle skates... the kind where he can do cartwheel on ice.

http://tunes.digitalock.com/Will.I.Am-AlexOnTheSpot.mp3

What is the issue?

That I am the only one wanting to live forever, or is it that we're afraid of along coming assholes, such that it's better to die rather than leave afterlife unto the assholes?

Next problem will be the suicidal tacks... not necessarily bad, according to Lucifer standards: http://tunes.digitalock.com/mamawereallcrazynow.mp3

In the mean time corporate dick-holes from Harvard don't know how Canadians dealing with Russians will necessitate a natural unfolding of the facts, starting with how if you want to plant seeds under Europa, you have to show me that your most beautiful Russian women are worth it compared to what I can do with my own DNA and the girls I like and science.

Next if you pay attention will be their offering of a stratospheric form of cruise missile against Chinese which they tested ten years ago.

If they off that, it means now you have enough alley to force the Chinese to take the offer of them spending their economic surplus on space exploration.

During the diplomatic debates talk about how as Chinese they don't care about the individuals to die insolong as the civilization survives, such that they get the moon.

Say nothing about Venus and Mars, nor how if their moon-services does not provide proper human transport to other planets they would have to be left alone.

A trillion ways to describe it, but ultimately it will require cutting back on kid-production or planetary war, but in either case it's going to take launching some colonization probes in order to prove whether or not the galaxy can be colonized by the spread of DNA.

I'm thinking it should be a probe first releasing photosynthetic bacteria, with sensors saying when to let out eucaryotic cells, then the triggers to make it accelerate, in order for me to spring up like a god to find itself standing in a bunch of smelly swampy mush, whereupon the test is if I freak, or be curious.

 

[Cliffy]

I don't see anything dishonourable in questioning things. In fact, it's noble. So no -- I don't consider myself better than those who question things. In fact, I consider myself among those who question things. I just always find that the scripture is the only thing that repeatedly satisfactorily answers my questions.



Yes, my belief. You don't have beliefs? If you didn't have beliefs, then you wouldn't really say anything in this thread, would you? If the possession of beliefs is the definition of arrogance, then... wow, you got me -- I'm arrogant! Or is the key issue about what particular beliefs one possesses? Certain beliefs are arrogant and others aren't?

It is not beliefs that are arrogant, it is the believer that is. You know, if you would say, "this is what I believe" that would be fine, but you have to always add in " if you don't believe this too, you are royally hooped for all eternity". That is setting yourself up to be a spokesperson for god and that is what comes across as arrogant. You believe the bible is the literal word of god but that is you. Not everybody agrees with your assessment but, hey, it is really hard to find anybody to agree on anything. That's life. But, you have to make it a "I'm right and you're wrong sort of thing" with dire consequences for not believing your way.

"My god's bigger and more powerful that your god!" That holds about as much water with most people as saying your dick is bigger. It is arrogant and contemptuous of others and their beliefs. I think it is rather funny that you think people hate Christianity. What they really don't like is the attitude. It is no different a mentality than the silly fundamentalist Muslim who blows himself up. The action may be the same but the mindset is identical.