Equalization formula is unconstitutional: report

[captain morgan]

The Federal Government did the handouts through setting up military basis and
things of that nature.

Using that logic, by extension, has Ontario (Ottawa in particular) been receiving 'transfer payments' becuase that's where they decided to have the nation's capital?

Give yer head a shake man.

By the way - it's 'bases'

I have relatives who live in Alberta and except for two they are blowhards just
like Texans..

Sounds like blow-hard runs in your family... You certainly have the gene.

I am in BC not the East but I understand the Easts frustrations with Alberta. They seem to somehow have this simplistic view of the
world. The Reform Movement came from there after all and that is as simplistic as you get. Its what happens when you mix ordinary conservative fiscal policy with religion.

You tell 'em DG... It's all about the Reformers and religion, even waaayyy back in the day when the reform movement didn't exist.

It leads to isolation of thought and a simmering unfairness that the world doesn't see the picture the way they do, even as distorted as that vision is.

You know what else leads to this?

Stupidity. ignorance and over generalizations.

 

[Durry]

Oh, and for those who are interested in knowing (Ron included) who developed the Oil Industry in AB, it was largely developed by the Americans.
Imperial Oil did discover the first well in Leduc, and as it is today, it was then, Imperial is mostly owned by the Americans.

When Oil was discovered, the Oil cos built a lot of the roads and a lot of the infrastructure.

Later, the opening of the farming industry in places like Grande Prairie, Redwater etc etc, was able to develop because the Oil Industry had built roads and infrastructure in these isolated locations. Today these communities are a thriving farming communities...

 

[lone wolf]

Oh, and for those who are interested in knowing (Ron included) who developed the Oil Industry in AB, it was largely developed by the Americans.
Imperial Oil did discover the first well in Leduc, and as it is today, it was then, Imperial is mostly owned by the Americans.

When Oil was discovered, the Oil cos built a lot of the roads and a lot of the infrastructure.

Later, the opening of the farming industry in places like Grande Prairie, Redwater etc etc, was able to develop because the Oil Industry had built roads and infrastructure in these isolated locations. Today these communities are a thriving farming communities...

...and according to your version, you who*ed yourself to Uncle Sam to get it.

BTW Leduc No. 1 - 1947
Alberta and Saskatchewan joined Canada - Sep 1905

 

[wulfie68]

...and according to your version, you who*ed yourself to Uncle Sam to get it.

BTW Leduc No. 1 - 1947
Alberta and Saskatchewan joined Canada - Sep 1905

Leduc No. 1 was the beginning of the oil industry in northern Alberta. Turner Valley is acknowledged as the first Alberta oil field and has been producing oil since the 1914 or so.

Calgary & Southern Alberta - The Turner Valley Oil Era

As for Alberta whoring itself to the US, whats the big deal between selling oneself to the Americans or a different brand of Imperialists from Upper Canada? Everyone serves somebody: most of us just want to be able to choose who...

 

[lone wolf]

Further.... Anything laid by the CPR was subsidized by the Government of Canada to the tune of around $600/mile (which was a hell of a pile of cash in the early 20th century....

Point is, Alberta didn't come with all the bells and whistles free to a good redneck the way our resident troll wants us to believe....

Post #1543812 - Re: Equalization formula is unconstitutional: report Bad Durry
Post #1543810 - Re: Equalization formula is unconstitutional: report Bad Durry

Two deliveries hit home.... It's a good night....

 

[Durry]

Do you always Post in circles?
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/104371-equalization-payments-2012-a.html

AB paid its fair share of the RR.
But, it was built to benifit..........?
And the purpose of the Crow Rate was.....?
Know much,,,,,LW?

 

[lone wolf]

do you always post in circles?
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/104371-equalization-payments-2012-a.html

ab paid its fair share of the rr.
But, it was built to benifit..........?
And the purpose of the crow rate was.....?
Know much,,,,,lw?

.!.. ;-) ..!.

 

[captain morgan]

Further.... Anything laid by the CPR was subsidized by the Government of Canada to the tune of around $600/mile (which was a hell of a pile of cash in the early 20th century....

Point is, Alberta didn't come with all the bells and whistles free to a good redneck the way our resident troll wants us to believe....
.

Nova Scotia, PEI, Ontario, Quebec, Sask or BC did not come with any bells or whistles either way back in the day... How come they aren't being stripped of 10's of billions each year?

 

[taxslave]

I'd rather the government handles equalization payments and not Imperial Oil.

Thanks.

I'd rather we abandon transfer payments.

 

[damngrumpy]

Chart or no chart before the late forties Alberta was a nowhere province filled with
people who didn't whine about their privileged lot in life. Since then except during
Don Getty's term in office all they have done is paid and complained. Don at least
had some class. Today we have a bunch of simplistic whiners and the current
Prime Minister who is living a failed dream of the 1980's still making changes on
issues that have already passed on the world stage. Building new expensive and
debt ridden prisons while the serious crime rate is actually going down. They are
still complaining about pensions, and now instead of taking care of MP pensions
which are a drop in the bucket when compared to the real fiscal problems of the
country, they are now content with dragging everyone Else's pension down to the
lowest level. What has this to do with equalization? It is the fuel of the whining
mind set many of these people have. Somehow they are above everyone else.
Oh they live in Canada and they are Canadian, but instead of being part of a
national family they behave like some rich uncle who believes some are more
equal than others.
No I do not hate Albertans, I have lived there a few times but I prefer not to stay
for long periods of time. I liked Red Deer and I liked Edmonton and even Peace
River, but the South no thanks. That seems to be the source of the problem.
Maybe its the water in the Bow River or something. I just wish they would be a
part of the national fabric of Canada and stop with the we are victims and look
a how much we contribute. Charts mean nothing in terms of family. Good God
if I took that attitude in our family things would be chaotic. We have 24 grand
kids now, a new one a month ago, and every time I help the older ones out with
something I teach them about how money works and how to develop a work
ethic. I never whine about having to help them. A national family is no different
than a close family.
yes Albertans are a part of the Canadian family I just want them to behave like it.

 

[Cannuck]

Another one of those people who think Alberta arrived from divine intervention, with all the infrastructure and economy exactly as it is.

Forgetting, for example, that all of the money that Imperial Oil poured into Alberta came from....Toronto.

Guys like me must really piss him off. I moved west to Alberta just so I could help siphon money back to my homeland.

When was the first big field (Leduc, I think) discovered?

1947

Formal equalization payments started in 1957

 

[captain morgan]

Chart or no chart

That says it all DG.... Damn the facts, Grumpy knows best and anyone that disagrees is wrong.

As far as the remainder of your post(s) go, I won't bother engaging someone that is clearly without any knowledge in the area. Your synopsis is nothing short of myopic and of the most narrowly focused perspective.

The gross generalizations you employ, in conjunction with your razor-thin perspective reeks of 'entitlement', 'sharing' (whatever the f*ck that is really supposed to mean) when it's only to your benefit and your own unique brand of whining.

yes Albertans are a part of the Canadian family I just want them to behave like it.

As far as the family analogy goes, AB has grown-up and moved on. Perhaps you should direct your efforts towards encouraging the other 'family members' to start acting more responsibly instead of pissing and moaning about your entitlements...

Really man, you are the Canadian equivalent to Greece

 

[Cannuck]

The Reform Movement came from there after all and that is as simplistic as you get. Its what happens when you mix ordinary conservative fiscal policy with religion.

That's just plain idiotic. I'm not religious at all (nor am I a social conservative) but supported the Reform Party.

 

[skookumchuck]

We are supposed to be a Canadian family for one thing, that means we share our talents and
our resources accordingly and that includes good ole cash.
constitutions are guide posts and some people want to flirt with opening that document up for
a look see. I suggest we leave it closed. The last time we opened Pandora's Box it took us
fifteen years to close it.
Only the West would question equalization anyway. The way I described this to younger people
is as follows. There were these people called Albertans who were gathering bounty on gopher
tails in the dust on the Prairie. For the most part the Federal Government assisted them through
the dirty thirties and beyond with military basis and so on. For the most part these were poor
folks and and good and decent inhabitants. One day Jed Clampett was shooting at gophers and
he missed striking the ground and Yup He Struck Oil.
After that these folks got swollen bank accounts and wallets which put so much pressure on them
they got swollen heads. Their heads grew so large, and pressured their brain as to inflame the
greed gene and its that self centered way today.
What I think is so funny as some in the West, including BC where I live, are critical of Quebec as
they look after their own interests first. The criticism in hollow as Albertans are first for thinking in
terms of themselves, followed by BC. We hear this stuff about western separation and son on, of
course while criticizing Quebec for being separatists. It is time for the western provinces to Grow
Up

If you want to beat the drum for Quebec don't leave out the fact that when we fought for our very existence in two world wars Quebec was the only place where conscription was necessary.

 

[Cliffy]

Wow, Albertans are sniveling, whiny, snot nosed little brats. They work so much harder for their dirty money and don't want to share or play nice in the sand box. Oh, woe is me! What shall we do? If it wasn't for the Newfies doing all the dirty work for you, you bozos would still be plunking gophers on the farm. Grow a pair the lot of you.

And Durry, stop being such a bitch or we'll ask your mother will cut off your allowance. Or you could move to Texas so we don't have to listen to your whining.

 

[Cliffy]

Wow, Albertans are sniveling, whiny, snot nosed little brats. They work so much harder for their dirty money and don't want to share or play nice in the sand box. Oh, woe is me! What shall we do? If it wasn't for the Newfies doing all the dirty work for you, you bozos would still be plunking gophers on the farm. Grow a pair the lot of you.

And Durry, stop being such a bitch or we'll ask your mother will cut off your allowance. Or you could move to Texas so we don't have to listen to your whining.

Heheh! Two neg reps on one post. Pretty good. I'm still waiting for Durry's.

 

[mentalfloss]

I remember back in the day.. between 1994 and 2006.. when we Ontarians would regularly complain about supporting the rest of the country. You insufferable heathens - leeching off of our provincial teet - leeching I say !!

Now, it's left to the Albertans, and I am loathe to be alone in this fight.

Save me from this state of eternal suffering Durry.

Bring me back to higher ground once again !!

 

[captain morgan]

Wow, Albertans are sniveling, whiny, snot nosed little brats. They work so much harder for their dirty money and don't want to share or play nice in the sand box. Oh, woe is me! What shall we do? If it wasn't for the Newfies doing all the dirty work for you, you bozos would still be plunking gophers on the farm. Grow a pair the lot of you.

And Durry, stop being such a bitch or we'll ask your mother will cut off your allowance. Or you could move to Texas so we don't have to listen to your whining.

Ya know Cliffy, there is an upside to the equalization program in a 'round-abouts sort of way.

The whole 'sharing' thing is a 2-way street... In this case, I'm thinking that Harper can be swayed to push through the Northern Gateway Pipeline so it might be easier for AB to share its wealth with ya..... The risk of a major leak into a river, lake or rainforest is a small price to pay in order to pass the hat on all this wealth. Hell, that might even justify a few clear-cuts here and there to add to the moonscape.

After-all, as a Canadian family, we all have to take our lumps and smile.

Not to worry though, I'll have you in my thoughts in the event that the stinking ooze breeches the p/l and turns up at your door.

hehehe

 

[lone wolf]

Nova Scotia, PEI, Ontario, Quebec, Sask or BC did not come with any bells or whistles either way back in the day... How come they aren't being stripped of 10's of billions each year?

Resident troll doesn't live there....

 

[Durry]

. Perhaps you should direct your efforts towards encouraging the other 'family members' to start acting more responsibly instead of pissing and moaning about your entitlements...

As you can see from the chart above, Quebec has been taking the lions share of equalization payments. Quebec has adjusted their life style and governance to rely on these Equalization like they are entitled to it without question. Ontario has now also learned to adopt the culture of entitlement as a way to support their socialistic lifestyle.
Both provinces are using this method as a means to extract money from the west. A never ending effort by the eastern provinces!!!
With proper governance, both provinces can be weined from this welfare handout, but they will not allow themselves to be weined from this handout as its just too lucrative and it is the only means they have available to them to extract funds from the west.