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The UN needs reform, starting off with removing veto powers.
The UN needs reform, starting off with removing veto powers.
Russia, China veto UN Syria resolution
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I've said the same thing re: Libya
I've said the same thing re: Israel
I've said the same thing re: Afghanistan - both times
I've said the same thing re: Vietnam
Meh.... Who listens to me?
I've said the same thing re: Israel
I've said the same thing re: Afghanistan - both times
I've said the same thing re: Vietnam
Meh.... Who listens to me?
How far back (in decades) is that to be done?
I guess those 'rogue Arab States' will just will just have to ignore that. (perhaps even have some spies go into Israel and steal some N-bombs.
What's the difference in a duck-shoot and a turkey-shoot? Perhaps the US can get rid of the whole F-35 production run @ top $$$ and with Syria too damn big for a land invasion the whole thing is called off after just 1 year.
Perhaps the security members shouldn't get to vote at all (nor introduce proposed actions).
Might have something to do with your 'name'
If violent demonstrations were to develop in Washington D.C. eventually the police and the military would start killing the protesters just like in Syria just to end it.
Since 1984, China and France have vetoed three resolutions each; Russia/USSR four; the United Kingdom ten; and the United States 43.
Oh fount of distorted facts. Perhaps when you list numbers, you should also include what the Veto was for. And as you do not have a link, please provide one as your thoughts, opinions, are as always biased. So proof from you is always a requirement. Never mind the cut and paste crap. Just a short list. I would imagine that in my uninformed opinion that approx 70-80 % of the Vetoes by the US were directed at Israel. And we all know how fond you are of Israel.
These are facts.
Number of times the US has used its UNSC veto since 1984: 43
Number of times Russia, China, the UK and France combined used their veto during the same period: 20
Number of times the US has used its UNSC veto since 1984: 43
Number of times Russia, China, the UK and France combined used their veto during the same period: 20
Show him what the real facts are by doing just what you suggested, only include the missing years, that'll show him.
So you got some numbers. Now tell us what they were vetoing. Or doesn't that fit with your anti Israel/US thinking?
Those are numbers- They only tell a small part of the story. So tell us what the vetoes were related to. I am sure it would show as I mentioned.
The fact is the west uses more veto powers than anyone else. There would be a lot
more ridiculous actions if we removed veto powers. Don't people realize it is all
about theatre and politics not about results? The results are talked about behind
closed doors.
Take the Cuban Missile crisis. We saw the showdown on the high seas as America
blocked the vessels of the USSR. What we did not see was the compromise that saw
America remove missiles from areas of the Middle East, particularly Pakistan that were
aimed at Russia.
Syria is a nation that for the most part is secular in nature and leaning toward the left
of the political spectrum, most of us would agree too far left. The struggle is not about
right and left it is about two opposing forces and we should take a second look before
we get in a dither.
The prime drive of the protests are by people who support the interests of Iran. These
folks are in two different groups. One Shiite fundamentalists behind the scenes and they
have a sector of radical terrorists in Southern Lebanon who are Sunni but are supported
by Iranian Shiites.
The other group is made up of Sunni and one other small tribe, that at this moment I cannot
remember the name of, damn but that is something the way it is. Yes they are not big on
democracy, but then look at those groups that support Iran they are definitely not big on
democracy and we must fact that fact. We either support a group of murdering bastar*s or
we can support the other group of murdering bastar*s take your pick. Most people talk
about supporting the will of democracy and human rights in this area of the world when it
does not exist. I am not a conservative by any means but I tell you we have to get past the
silly liberal view that democracy can live and thrive in a vacuum, there is no winner here that is
good, one is as bad as the other and that is the first conclusion to toward understanding there
is no solution, the problem will go on and on and on. but we can dream
more ridiculous actions if we removed veto powers. Don't people realize it is all
about theatre and politics not about results? The results are talked about behind
closed doors.
Take the Cuban Missile crisis. We saw the showdown on the high seas as America
blocked the vessels of the USSR. What we did not see was the compromise that saw
America remove missiles from areas of the Middle East, particularly Pakistan that were
aimed at Russia.
Syria is a nation that for the most part is secular in nature and leaning toward the left
of the political spectrum, most of us would agree too far left. The struggle is not about
right and left it is about two opposing forces and we should take a second look before
we get in a dither.
The prime drive of the protests are by people who support the interests of Iran. These
folks are in two different groups. One Shiite fundamentalists behind the scenes and they
have a sector of radical terrorists in Southern Lebanon who are Sunni but are supported
by Iranian Shiites.
The other group is made up of Sunni and one other small tribe, that at this moment I cannot
remember the name of, damn but that is something the way it is. Yes they are not big on
democracy, but then look at those groups that support Iran they are definitely not big on
democracy and we must fact that fact. We either support a group of murdering bastar*s or
we can support the other group of murdering bastar*s take your pick. Most people talk
about supporting the will of democracy and human rights in this area of the world when it
does not exist. I am not a conservative by any means but I tell you we have to get past the
silly liberal view that democracy can live and thrive in a vacuum, there is no winner here that is
good, one is as bad as the other and that is the first conclusion to toward understanding there
is no solution, the problem will go on and on and on. but we can dream
Not surprised. All member states veto the crap out of whatever they don't like.
They have that right.
They have that right.
Our Canadian culture and society prove that people can co-exist peacefully regardless of race or religion. Syrians aren't that different from Canadians. Fundamentally most people are kind and compassionate. Syria just isn't as far along in its social evolution as Canada.
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Kind of takes away the incentive of bringing anything up, perhaps everybody except the 5 should pack up and do some video conferencing from home turf, saving themselves oddles of money for the right to have a voice that means nothing at all. Clooectively the united little countries are still more powerful than the big 5 as fight amongst themselves would mean extermination (if the world was lucky)
Which is it?
Iran fought for it's citizens getting more than 15% of the revenue of it's oil, that was in 1953, in 1954 they were under a leader who repealed that deal from the people and it stayed that way for 25 years, without a revolt it would be like that today. Afghanistan was making similar strides in the '70's, by 1980 outsiders had brought them a steady diet of war and harsh oppression.
Canada still thinks reservations for eternity is the perfect solution for meshing two different societies, most nations would hope we don't spawn any children.
That's why I said we ought to eliminate the veto altogether; I did not say for certain countries and not others.
What do you base your experience on regarding Syrian culture, religion, history, corruption, power plays, massacres, revenge that goes back generations between sects, minorities within Syria. How Syrians have begun segregating according to religious sects for safety.
Or is the above just off the top of your head? Translation a simple minded observation.
Syria | Amnesty International
History of Syria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Syria: Maps, History, Geography, Government, Culture, Facts, Guide & Travel/Holidays/Cities — Infoplease.com
And now the Butcher
Hafez al-Assad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hama massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Syria: how the al-Assad family has dominated - Telegraph
It's a solitary one, anyway back to the news.
(in part)
Until it was leaked. Here it is, in full.
The report is adamant. There was no organized, lethal repression by the Syrian government against peaceful protesters. Instead, the report points to shady armed gangs as responsible for hundreds of deaths among Syrian civilians, and over one thousand among the Syrian army, using lethal tactics such as bombing of civilian buses, bombing of trains carrying diesel oil, bombing of police buses and bombing of bridges and pipelines.
... So the current "Arab-led drive to secure a peaceful end to the 10-month crackdown" in Syria at the UN is no less than a crude regime change drive. Usual suspects Washington, London and Paris have been forced to fall over themselves to assure the real international community this is not another mandate for NATO bombing - a la Libya. US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton described it as "a path for a political transition that would preserve Syria's unity and institutions".
poorrichard's blog: Arab league monitors find slaughter in Syria the work of foreign-backed subversives
(in part)
Until it was leaked. Here it is, in full.
The report is adamant. There was no organized, lethal repression by the Syrian government against peaceful protesters. Instead, the report points to shady armed gangs as responsible for hundreds of deaths among Syrian civilians, and over one thousand among the Syrian army, using lethal tactics such as bombing of civilian buses, bombing of trains carrying diesel oil, bombing of police buses and bombing of bridges and pipelines.
... So the current "Arab-led drive to secure a peaceful end to the 10-month crackdown" in Syria at the UN is no less than a crude regime change drive. Usual suspects Washington, London and Paris have been forced to fall over themselves to assure the real international community this is not another mandate for NATO bombing - a la Libya. US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton described it as "a path for a political transition that would preserve Syria's unity and institutions".
poorrichard's blog: Arab league monitors find slaughter in Syria the work of foreign-backed subversives