Marines and Honour
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Seems to me I recall you claiming to be a firefighter. Seems to me even you know how long it will be before the arsonist is out there getting jollies again. I'm assuming you're bright enough to figure out the rest
Ahhh....now here perhaps an arguement could be made that combat soldiers
need to be a minimum of 50yrs of age or older, eliminating this issue. A bunch
of pissed-off old guys with sore backs, and not in the mood for taking **** from
anybody, at any time, for any reason. :lol:
Once you leave the womb, conservatives don’t care about you until you reach military age. Then you’re just what they’re looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
If it requires a uniform, it’s a worthless endeavor. - George Carlin
If it requires a uniform, it’s a worthless endeavor. - George Carlin
I guess I'm not.
Aside from being unfunny, George never struck me as being too bright. Never did get the fascination with him.
The hilarious part Cliff, is who is judging someone ELSE not to be "too bright". A chortle a minute! :lol::lol:
Congressman Allen West is ignorant and wrong. His statements indicate he doesn't know his geography, history or that these incidents involved different adversaries.
Congressman Allen West: I do not recall any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through Mogadishu.
eao: I do recall self-righteous indignation after this event. In fact the American general public were so righteous and indignant, that pressure from the American public forced the Clinton Administration to end their mission in Somalia. Also, the images of these soldier's bodies being desecrated were immortalized in the movie "Black Hawk Down". That movie is full of righteous indignation. The Congressman also doesn't appear to be able to differentiate between one group of Ragheads and another, even though Somalia is thousands of kilometers away from Afghanistan and the people responsible were Somalis (not the Taliban) and don't even speak the same language.
Congressman Allen West: Neither do I recall media outrage and condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah.
eao: As I recall, these "contractors" were hired mercenaries which allegedly interrogated and tortured Iraqi civilians and insurgents alike. These "contractors" did things that the US military isn't allowed to do to their prisoners. Also, before the US led Iraq invasion, the residents of Fallujah were more or less hostile to Saddam Hussein. Fallujah was run by the locals. When the US military showed up, the locals as per their culture made a show of force. Due to a cultural misunderstanding the US leaders interpreted that show of force as a threat and ordered soldiers to fire into a crowd of mostly unarmed civilians. The dead were mostly women and children. That's when Fallujah became hostile to the US. Eventually the Fallujah insurgency forced the US military to retreat. A few mercenaries never made it out and were captured. The locals tried the mercenaries for their "crimes" and executed them according to their code of justice. Their corpses were strung up on a bridge at the entrance to the city as warning and set on fire. In response, the US bombed Fallujah (a densely populated city) with high explosives and white phosphorus. After a series of "shake and bake" operations which killed most of the city's residents, the town was pacified. Only a few residents survived the brutal massacre which included orders to shoot anything that moved and captured prisoners. BTW, Fallujah is in Iraq, not Afghanistan and the Ragheads in this case were Iraqis, not the Taliban.
FYI, I don't defend the actions of anyone involved in either of these incidents. My point is only that the Congressman's statement was both ignorant and wrong.
As far as I know, the Taliban do lots of crazy assed ****.... but I don't believe their code allows for the desecration of dead bodies or disrespect for their adversaries. However, I'd like to see someone post something which proves that statement wrong. Its possible that they have done this and I am unaware of it. However if the Taliban did something like the US Marines did, it would have made our news. I'm also fairly certain most Americans would have been rightfully outraged and self righteous as the Afghan people are.
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Due to a cultural misunderstanding the US leaders interpreted that show of force as a threat and ordered soldiers to fire into a crowd of mostly unarmed civilians. The dead were mostly women and children.
Seems to me that both Iraq and Afghanistan were the result of colossal misunderstandings. It happens when you think you are the center of the Universe. Americans need to learn that they are not the center, Toronto is.
Seems to me that both Iraq and Afghanistan were the result of colossal misunderstandings. It happens when you think you are the center of the Universe. Americans need to learn that they are not the center, Toronto is.
Regarding the incident where US soldiers fired indiscriminately into a crowd of unarmed civilians:
The 18-page report, "Violent Response: The U.S. Army in al-Falluja," challenges the U.S. military's assertion that its troops came under direct fire from individuals in the crowd of protesters on April 28. Human Rights Watch found no conclusive evidence of bullet damage on the school where the soldiers were based. In contrast, buildings facing the school had extensive multi-caliber bullet impacts that were inconsistent with U.S. assertions that soldiers had responded with "precision fire."
Iraq: U.S. Should Investigate al-Falluja | Human Rights Watch
Until that incident, Fallujah was not strongly anti or pro US.
Fallujah - The Hidden Massacre
Veteran admits: Bodies melted away before us
Fallujah - The Hidden Massacre: Video -
The 18-page report, "Violent Response: The U.S. Army in al-Falluja," challenges the U.S. military's assertion that its troops came under direct fire from individuals in the crowd of protesters on April 28. Human Rights Watch found no conclusive evidence of bullet damage on the school where the soldiers were based. In contrast, buildings facing the school had extensive multi-caliber bullet impacts that were inconsistent with U.S. assertions that soldiers had responded with "precision fire."
Iraq: U.S. Should Investigate al-Falluja | Human Rights Watch
Until that incident, Fallujah was not strongly anti or pro US.
Fallujah - The Hidden Massacre
Veteran admits: Bodies melted away before us
Fallujah - The Hidden Massacre: Video -
I have a funny bone. That's probably why I'm not a fan. I used to be when I was a kid but grew out of it. It's low brow humour. That always seems to be popular.
Nothing to do with class or lack thereof, just passing along information. I was surprised "tit" was included- tit is a bird as far as I know.