Maryland Abortion Doctors Charged With Murder

[Ariadne]

"But state law also defines a fetus as "viable" if "there is a reasonable likelihood of the fetus' sustained survival outside the womb."

Brigham provided abortions to five patients ranging from 18 to 33 weeks pregnant, according to a report by the New Jersey State Board of Medical Examiners.

The determination of whether those fetuses were "viable" could occur in court."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...on-marylandtre8010wx-20120102,0,6693813.story

There is no question that a 33 week fetus is viable, so there really isn't any debate as to whether there was murder.

Read more about this doctor:

http://articles.philly.com/2010-07-...hase-brigham-abortion-clinics-medical-license

"Steven Chase Brigham, a physician whose medical license has been revoked, relinquished, or temporarily suspended in five states, is now facing regulatory and tax troubles that could jeopardize his chain of 15 abortion clinics.

...Brigham also has to deal with the IRS. In April, it placed $234,536 in liens against him for failing to pay payroll taxes from 2002 to 2006.

... In 1994, New York took his license, finding him guilty of "gross negligence" and "inexcusably bad judgment" involving two late-pregnancy abortions. The patients suffered life-threatening bleeding and required emergency hospital operations, public records show.

...In 1997, Brigham employed an obstetrician-gynecologist who was under suspension for, among other things, sexually molesting patients."

 

[JLM]

I gave you a "cute" version of twins playing before birth. Check into it. They play, they fight, they wake each other up if bored. They know what's going on.

It doesn't matter what you do Petros, you are NEVER going to convince people who priortise their own selfish interests! :smile:

 

[bluebyrd35]

I gave you a "cute" version of twins playing before birth. Check into it. They play, they fight, they wake each other up if bored. They know what's going on.

Sorry luv they do not. I had twins. And they certainly did not wake each other up, even after they were born. Since they were born six weeks early, they slept in the same bassinette, when they came home, until they were nearly three months old. The main reason they survived was because our Doctor took very extraordinary measures to make sure they survived, because he knew we wanted them.

The girls spent a month in the Montreal Childrens Hospital and they were taken there behind a snowplow in an incubator in a stationwagon with my dr. and a nurse. It was during a snowstorm that closed the roads between our local hospital 50 miles from the Montreal Children's Hospital. Luckily, the roads department was a block away from my hospital, and most of those working there, had had their children delivered by my doctor. The snowplow opened the road all the way to the outskirts of the city.



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[gerryh]

If they took up residence in your body, and you weren't quite ready to take on the world, I bet you would LOL.



No it isn't, not until it draws it first breath .....according to the biblical god in any case. Fortunately, our society frowns on late term abortions, which makes us a bit more civilized than god, I believe.



Nope, if one believes the biblical god, HE alone breathes life into a new born!! It's first breath signals god has done his job!!

This isn't a threat?? Well geez it sure looks like one to me. And no I do not fear you......unless you happen to be carrying a concealed weapon and have no control over your temper.

Now back to the topic......provide evidence that an embryo knows fear or amusement or any other emotion. Actually,even new borns know only hunger, unless someone deliberately hurts them repeatedly. Then they might associate a person or a repeated event with the hurt. Ever watch a child under 5 months get an injection. They do not fear the needle. They will look startled and then puzzled and then perhaps cry!! A minute later, all smiles again.

How much memory do you have of your time in the womb?
Could that possibly be because you were not yet a sentient individual?? Not yet an aware being ? Of course it was. When a child takes it's first breath, that is the time it begins the long journey to becoming an aware human being. Some even then do not......ie psychopaths. Oh they look normal but they aren't are they??

If that psychopath kills people, or simply injures them, does society have the right to eliminate them?? In my opinion no, because they are already an aware being on the human journey. That journey was interrupted through no fault of their own. The key difference an impregnated cell and even a partially developed aware being is enormous. One has developed emotions even if stunted and the other has not managed a fully developed brain or nervous system.

One other thing, while the bible declares that god gives newborn life with his breath, it is the doctor, or midwife who actually makes that happen. Breathing used to be started with a back slap, now it is done by massage. In nature, it is often the cleaning of a newborn by the animal that starts life.

Regardless of your "now back on topic" none of the above is "on topic". Also, considering you keep "saying" you don't believe in God, why do you keep bringing him up and what does late term abortions have to do with God?

It doesn't matter what you do Petros, you are NEVER going to convince people who priortise their own selfish interests! :smile:

and for the majority, that is exactly the reason.

 

[petros]

sorry luv they do not. I had twins. And they certainly did not wake each other up, even after they were born. Since they were born six weeks early, they slept in the same bassinette, when they came home, until they were nearly three months old. The main reason they survived was because our doctor took very extraordinary measures to make sure they survived, because he knew we wanted them.

The girls spent a month in the montreal childrens hospital and they were taken there behind a snowplow in an incubator in a stationwagon with my dr. And a nurse. It was during a snowstorm that closed the roads between our local hospital 50 miles from the montreal children's hospital. Luckily, the roads department was a block away from my hospital, and most of those working there, had had their children delivered by my doctor. The snowplow opened the road all the way to the outskirts of the city.



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bull****!!!!!

 

[bluebyrd35]

It doesn't matter what you do Petros, you are NEVER going to convince people who priortise their own selfish interests! :smile:[/QUOTE

Jesus Murphy, the selfish critters are those who insist their will takes priority over the will of others. How many of these selfish critters have actually adopted any of those unwanted in our institutions. Those with the biggest mouths, usually have the least compassion.

 

[Ariadne]

It seems the the abortion issue brings some very shady characters to the table. The doctor in question has a long history of legal problems, ranging from financial corruption to a complete disregard for the lives or wellfare of women and their fetuses. On the surface, I get he impression that he views abortion as an easy way to get rich.

I sincerely hope that he is found guilty and that this case does not dissolve into a debate about whether a child is viable at 33 weeks, or when life starts. If a 23 week fetus can be kept alive using currently available medical technologies, then a 33 week fetus that is yanked from its mother's womb and placed in a freezer is nothing short of murder.

 

[bluebyrd35]

bull****!!!!!

True and I still have the Montreal Gazette article on it, tucked in my wedding album in Canada.

 

[petros]

It doesn't matter what you do Petros, you are NEVER going to convince people who priortise their own selfish interests! :smile:[/QUOTE

Jesus Murphy, the selfish critters are those who insist their will takes priority over the will of others. How many of these selfish critters have actually adopted any of those unwanted in our institutions. Those with the biggest mouths, usually have the least compassion.

You never researched to see if I was right or wrong did you? Do you have any idea what in utero means?

 

[bluebyrd35]

It seems the the abortion issue brings some very shady characters to the table. The doctor in question has a long history of legal problems, ranging from financial corruption to a complete disregard for the lives or wellfare of women and their fetuses. On the surface, I get he impression that he views abortion as an easy way to get rich.

I sincerely hope that he is found guilty and that this case does not dissolve into a debate about whether a child is viable at 33 weeks, or when life starts. If a 23 week fetus can be kept alive using currently available medical technologies, then a 33 week fetus that is yanked from its mother's womb and placed in a freezer is nothing short of murder.

Okay, I can accept that a late term abortion is distasteful and less than civilized. However, what should the punishment be?? Should we execute this doctor??

 

[Ariadne]

Jesus Murphy, the selfish critters are those who insist their will takes priority over the will of others. How many of these selfish critters have actually adopted any of those unwanted in our institutions. Those with the biggest mouths, usually have the least compassion.

I don't think there's any reason to assume that a 33 week fetus is an unwanted child ... other than suddenly being unwanted by the mother.

Women have a responsibility in their reproductive systems as well. It's one thing to know that a pregnancy isn't an option 8 or 10 weeks after conception. That's a whole two + months to think about it. To suddenly, 7 or 8 months later want to change the decision??? That's completely irresponsble and there's no excuse for it. No doctor should accommodate women like that ... rather, the child should be automatically signed over to an adoption agency with no further contact with the mother for life.

 

[petros]

Okay, I can accept that a late term abortion is distasteful and less than civilized.

What makes early killing of humans any less distasteful?

 

[Kreskin]

By the time someone gets amnio results it's 15-18 weeks at the earliest. The results of the test are no one's business but the patient and doctor, nor is their medical plan (if any).

 

[gerryh]

Okay, I can accept that a late term abortion is distasteful and less than civilized. However, what should the punishment be?? Should we execute this doctor??

distasteful and less than civilized? The doctor, nurse, useless peice of meat they call a woman, and anyone else that was involved in the murder should be charged with first degree murder and put away for the rest of their useless lives.

 

[Ariadne]

Okay, I can accept that a late term abortion is distasteful and less than civilized. However, what should the punishment be?? Should we execute this doctor??

Distasteful? No. There's absolutely no excuse for it.

It's not like women wake up one day and discover that they are 7-8 months pregnant. They have had 2-3 months (first trimester) to make the decision about having a baby or an abortion, and they've had the better part of a year to make alternate arrangements in the event that they are not in favour of raising a child. Abortion should never be viewed as women having the right to spend 7-8 months to make a decision regarding the life of another. The decision is made early on, and women have a responsibility to stand behind that decision ... not to be wishy washy airheads that think they can change their minds about pregnancy whenever it suits them.

The doctor should have his license permanently revoked throughout the US, not just in the few states where he has already broken several laws, and he should spend time in jail for each of his offences - including terminating the life of a viable infant.

By the time someone gets amnio results it's 15-18 weeks at the earliest. The results of the test are no one's business but the patient and doctor, nor is their medical plan (if any).

Exactly. The woman has the choice of abortion or pregnancy early on. If she decides to proceed with the pregnancy and then discover that there are abnormalities, she has the option of a late term abortion at 18 weeks gestation. There is no excuse for a 33 week abortion.

 

[bluebyrd35]

What about those who are pressured into abortion by bull**** excuses or had it done and kept it a secret their enire lives? How many women do you think have deep regrets once the party is over? If girls weren't emotionally or physically capable of being mother's in their teens the body wouldn't let them.

LOL, very bloody few. It is often those who get talked out of early term abortion that suffer the deep regrets, because they are the ones
who are saddled for life with an unwanted child and little or no support. Oh and what about that unwanted child??

As for that other stupid statement..... In the animal world, too young mothers simply eat their young. Severely,retarded girls certainly can get pregnant and they are certainly not capable of raising them alone. A boy of 13 or 14 can sire children, does that make them perfectly capable of supporting emotionally & physically the girl he impregnated?, never mind those he has sired?

 

[petros]

LOL, very bloody few.

Do some homework into P.A.S.S.

 

[Kreskin]

Distasteful? No. There's absolutely no excuse for it.

It's not like women wake up one day and discover that they are 7-8 months pregnant. They have had 2-3 months (first trimester) to make the decision about having a baby or an abortion, and they've had the better part of a year to make alternate arrangements in the event that they are not in favour of raising a child. Abortion should never be viewed as women having the right to spend 7-8 months to make a decision regarding the life of another. The decision is made early on, and women have a responsibility to stand behind that decision ... not to be wishy washy airheads that think they can change their minds about pregnancy whenever it suits them.

The doctor should have his license permanently revoked throughout the US, not just in the few states where he has already broken several laws, and he should spend time in jail for each of his offences - including terminating the life of a viable infant.



Exactly. The woman has the choice of abortion or pregnancy early on. If she decides to proceed with the pregnancy and then discover that there are abnormalities, she has the option of a late term abortion at 18 weeks gestation. There is no excuse for a 33 week abortion.

Not everyone gets an amnio at the earliest possible moment. There can be a lot of things unfold later on.

 

[Ariadne]

This little girl is three and a half years old (taken NYE 2012). When she was a fetus, her parents decided to have an amniocentesis done. The results were devastating. Doctors informed the parents that the child would have down's syndrome and perhaps other congenital problems. They all recommended a late term abortion. Needless to say, the parents were very upset for the remaining 22 weeks of the pregnancy. At the delivery, they expected the worst. To everyone's surprise, a perfectly healthy, normal, bright, active child was born. As the result of the emotional turmoil associated with the pregnancy, the parents had no more children.

Doctors make serious mistakes regarding the general health of a fetus, so invitro testing is not always a useful tool in deciding late term abortion.

Not everyone gets an amnio at the earliest possible moment. There can be a lot of things unfold later on.

There's no excuse for that. Tests have to be performed at something like 12 -14 weeks and the results take about 3 weeks. Women have 12 weeks to decide if they want an amnio, and they have 12 weeks to decide what they will do if the results indicate abnormalities. Women do not have the right to sit around and decide later when each day and week makes a difference.

Society needs to stop giving women a pass when it comes to pregnancy. There is plenty of time for women to make decisions and there is no room for making one decision and then trying to back out of it months later.

 

[Kreskin]

This little girl is three and a half years old (taken NYE 2012). When she was a fetus, her parents decided to have an amniocentesis done. The results were devastating. Doctors informed the parents that the child would have down's syndrome and perhaps other congenital problems. They all recommended a late term abortion. Needless to say, the parents were very upset for the remaining 22 weeks of the pregnancy. At the delivery, they expected the worst. To everyone's surprise, a perfectly healthy, normal, bright, active child was born. As the result of the emotional turmoil associated with the pregnancy, the parents had no more children.

Doctors make serious mistakes regarding the general health of a fetus, so invitro testing is not always a useful tool in deciding late term abortion.

There's no excuse for that. Tests have to be performed at something like 12 -14 weeks and the results take about 3 weeks. Women have 12 weeks to decide if they want an amnio, and they have 12 weeks to decide what they will do if the results indicate abnormalities. Women do not have the right to sit around and decide later when each day and week makes a difference.

Society needs to stop giving women a pass when it comes to pregnancy. There is plenty of time for women to make decisions and there is no room for making one decision and then trying to back out of it months later.

Society needs to get out of peoples personal lives. There are many reasons why things go wrong in pregnancy, and late pregnancy. And if it happened to us I couldn't give a crap what you think of if I decide to do something you don't like.