Maryland Abortion Doctors Charged With Murder

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No we are not. Our opinion IS based on science and ethics. It's YOUR opinion that is based on your atheist dogma, rhetoric, and emotions.

Atheist dogma? Who do I look to for the authority on atheism? That is a silly assertion.

pro lifer is a misnomer. There are very few "pro lifers" but there are a hell of alot of anti abortionists. Just like pro choice is a misnomer. The baby has no choice in the matter.

I'd also like to add, that is it is the baby's who's life is the one that is the most profoundly effected by the "choice" being made.

Actually, pro-choice is the perfect label.

Do you know that there are certain Christian sects (I will leave which ones as an exercise) which would like to take away your right to donate your kidney or part of your liver? Heck they don't even think you should be allowed to donate blood. They want to take away your choice to remove and insert things into your body. Other religions don't even think you should be allowed to get piercings or tattoos.

Well, I am pro-choice. You should be able to remove whatever you want from or do whatever you want to your own body. Of course the thing inside of me doesn't get a choice on whether it gets to stay: it is my body.
 

petros

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Well, I am pro-choice. You should be able to remove whatever you want from or do
whatever you want to your own body. Of course the thing inside of me doesn't get
a choice on whether it gets to stay: it is my body.
Can I remove people from the planet? It's my planet. I'm smarter, bigger, faster than they are. I'm productive, they aren't.
 

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Can I remove people from the planet? It's my planet. I'm smarter, bigger, faster than they are. I'm productive, they aren't.

If they took up residence in your body, and you weren't quite ready to take on the world, I bet you would LOL.

I guess they can "soft peddle" it as terminating a life!

No it isn't, not until it draws it first breath .....according to the biblical god in any case. Fortunately, our society frowns on late term abortions, which makes us a bit more civilized than god, I believe.

I guess they can "soft peddle" it as terminating a life!

Nope, if one believes the biblical god, HE alone breathes life into a new born!! It's first breath signals god has done his job!!
 

petros

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If they took up residence in your body, and you weren't quite ready to take on the world, I bet you would LOL.
Would you stand up to me and try to take my life the same way you would unborn child or do you know I'd kick your ass?

It takes a real loser to kill someone defenceless but I know for fact you'd fear coming face to face with me because I'm not a couple kg and just a few cm tall and I would take your life.
 

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No it isn't, not until it draws it first breath .....according to the biblical god in any case. Fortunately, our society frowns on late term abortions, which makes us a bit more civilized than god, I believe.



Nope, if one believes the biblical god, HE alone breathes life into a new born!! It's first breath signals god has done his job!!

Not everyone subscribes to belief in a Bibical God!
 

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Would you stand up to me and try to take my life the same way you would unborn child or do you know I'd kick your ass?

It takes a real loser to kill someone defenseless but I know for fact you'd fear coming face to face with me because I'm not a couple kg and just a few cm tall.

Ahhh for pete's sake, I suppose that makes god a real loser then, because there are a fair number of spontaneous abortions and those can and do occur at times late in a pregnancy. Are these just mistakes?? Oh but god doesn't make mistakes does he?? So surely this must make god a murderer and a life terminator.

So do you threaten all those who disagree with you?? A woman's reproductive system is NOT your business!!

Not everyone subscribes to belief in a Bibical God!

Quite right. Do you??
 

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Some women have immunological issues. Their immune systems are over-responsive and will attack embryos, even those created by God. Should they be forced onto a medication protocol if they continue with such negligence?
 

petros

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Ahhh for pete's sake, I suppose that makes god a real loser then, because there are a fair number of spontaneous abortions and those can and do occur at times late in a pregnancy. Are these just mistakes?? Oh but god doesn't make mistakes does he?? So surely this must make god a murderer and a life terminator.

So do you threaten all those who disagree with you?? A woman's reproductive system is NOT your business!!
I never threatened you. Did you feel threatened? Only someone who can't defend themselves are overcome with a feeling of helplessness and fear. Why are you afraid? Can't you defend yourself?
 

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Quite right. Do you??

I definitely believe in a supreme power. Man Was obviously planned by something greater than man. Mother Nature is a satisfactory description. Although at times I've seen an indication that "someone" is looking after me, I'm more convinced that the race as a whole is a greater concern to whoever it is than the individual. But like everyone else in the world, I DO NOT KNOW. :smile:
 

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Some women have immunological issues. Their immune systems are over-responsive and will attack embryos, even those created by God. Should they be forced onto a medication protocol if they continue with such negligence?

LOL.... The justifications for interfering with an individuals choice seem to get wierder & wierder.
 

petros

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LOL.... The justifications for interfering with an individuals choice seem to get wierder & wierder.
Do you mean weirder? Looks like you're losing your cognative abilities. You are also going to have to pay taxes and will stub your toe in the next 12 months. I'm going to do you a favour and take your life. Is that okay with you?
 

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Do you mean weirder? Looks like you're losing your cognative abilities. You are also going to have to pay taxes and will stub your toe in the next 12 months. I'm going to do you a favour and take your life. Is that okay with you?

She's programmed to "i before e except after c". But hasn't been programmed to "there is an exception to every rule" Petros, I have a question for you on the thread I started on purchasing a vehicle.
 

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but I know for fact you'd fear coming face to face with me because I'm not a couple kg and just a few cm tall. ( QUOTE]

This isn't a threat?? Well geez it sure looks like one to me. And no I do not fear you......unless you happen to be carrying a concealed weapon and have no control over your temper.

Now back to the topic......provide evidence that an embryo knows fear or amusement or any other emotion. Actually,even new borns know only hunger, unless someone deliberately hurts them repeatedly. Then they might associate a person or a repeated event with the hurt. Ever watch a child under 5 months get an injection. They do not fear the needle. They will look startled and then puzzled and then perhaps cry!! A minute later, all smiles again.

How much memory do you have of your time in the womb?
Could that possibly be because you were not yet a sentient individual?? Not yet an aware being ? Of course it was. When a child takes it's first breath, that is the time it begins the long journey to becoming an aware human being. Some even then do not......ie psychopaths. Oh they look normal but they aren't are they??

If that psychopath kills people, or simply injures them, does society have the right to eliminate them?? In my opinion no, because they are already an aware being on the human journey. That journey was interrupted through no fault of their own. The key difference an impregnated cell and even a partially developed aware being is enormous. One has developed emotions even if stunted and the other has not managed a fully developed brain or nervous system.

One other thing, while the bible declares that god gives newborn life with his breath, it is the doctor, or midwife who actually makes that happen. Breathing used to be started with a back slap, now it is done by massage. In nature, it is often the cleaning of a newborn by the animal that starts life.
 

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Do you mean weirder? Looks like you're losing your cognative abilities. You are also going to have to pay taxes and will stub your toe in the next 12 months. I'm going to do you a favour and take your life. Is that okay with you?

Trying to derail the discussion?? Of course you are, because you have very little to support your position.
 

petros

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My position is you are inferior to me and therefore a burden.

I'd really hate to have to see you pay more taxes or stub you toe as well. Hell you might even get fat.
 

petros

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I gave you a "cute" version of twins playing before birth. Check into it. They play, they fight, they wake each other up if bored. They know what's going on.