Alberta sees oilsands tours as a way to educate international community

Johnnny

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In the opinion of this poster, im sure more of the people coming to tour our Oilsands are just rich tycoons from other countries looking for their way to cash in on what we have in the ground here...

Alberta sees oilsands tours as a way to educate international community

EDMONTON - The Alberta government offered a record number of oilsands tours to U.S. politicians, foreign diplomats, international reporters and others in 2011 to help curtail growing criticism.
“Oilsands tours over the past couple of years have sharply picked up,” government spokesman David Sands said Wednesday, pointing to 41 oilsands site visits officially hosted by the provincial government this year and an additional 23 to which the government contributed.
In the face of international criticism, the provincial government has often suggested people come north to see bitumen production for themselves, including tailings ponds and site rehabilitation.
Sands did not have comparable numbers available on visits to the Fort McMurray area in 2010.
But as debate grew louder in connection to the proposed Keystone XL pipeline expansion and European legislators considered a ban on fuel from the oilsands, Sands said Alberta’s invitation seemed to have more takers in 2011. In past years, the province had wrapped up all its tours by September. This year, they continued through December.
“It is our most effective tool for communicating on oilsands issues ... because you bring people up and let them see it for themselves,” he said Wednesday. “You realize the iconic image around the anti-oilsands movement, if you will, is simply a picture of an open-pit mine and how ugly that is. The only way to give people context for that picture they see is to bring (them) up there, to fly them over vast miles of boreal forest and show them where that picture was taken. There’s nothing more effective than that.”
Sands could not say what the total cost of the tours were in 2011, but noted the “highest tab” for any group hosted by the province’s communications staff — groups mainly of reporters — was $10,000, for four days and 16 people. Most tour guests, he said, paid their own way.
Most were also from the United States. In November, for example, government planes were used for three tours to Fort McMurray. A cross-section of state senators and U.S. reporters were on the flights, including South Dakota Republican Dan Lederman, who posted pictures of his tour on the website Flickr, and journalists from Fortune Magazine, CBS News and Americas Quarterly. Officials from Canadian consulates in New York, Houston and San Francisco, as well as industry officials, were also along for the ride.
The Pembina Institute, an Alberta-based think-tank focused on finding energy solutions, has been invited by the province to give presentations during the tours. Policy director Simon Dyer said they are sometimes called afterward by those who have taken the tours and have more questions about environmental concerns and downstream effects of oilsands development.
Like the government, Dyer said the think-tank has had more calls for information about Alberta oil this year, and the prominence of U.S. participation in government tours comes as no surprise.
“There have been some European delegations, but I think that reflects the fact that the U.S. is currently our primary market, ” Dyer said. “But there certainly is interest from around the world, from the EU and from other jurisdictions, too.”
Sands said he is “begging” European media to take part in upcoming tours. The province is also looking to Asian reporters, who, to date, have not spent a lot of time on oilsands issues. With the Enbridge Northern Gateway pipeline proposal now on the agenda — if approved the pipeline would bring Alberta oil to tankers off the West Coast and on to Asia — the province’s Ministry of International and Intergovernmental Relations is working on lining up a tour for British Columbia’s municipal leaders.
Sands said he has never heard of oilsands critics like Greenpeace or the Sierra Club taking the province’s tour, but he would welcome the opportunity to shepherd them to the production sites.
 

mentalfloss

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That's a Green Peace perspective.
Hardly objective or balanced.

Yea, greenpeace reaches PETA stupidity for me on some projects, but that documentary was an eye-opener. No commentary, just visuals, so it's really up to your own interpretation.
 

Durry

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What Green Peace shows is a mining operation in progress. Most mining operations do not look pretty during its operation.
What Green Peace does not show is the reclamation that happens after the oil is extracted. So the public has to be education in some form that a work in progress is not always pretty but the end result is that all this land area is reclaimed and often made better and more productive for nature than it was before it was mined.
 

mentalfloss

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What Green Peace does not show is the reclamation that happens after the oil is extracted. So the public has to be education in some form that a work in progress is not always pretty but the end result is that all this land area is reclaimed and often made better and more productive for nature than it was before it was mined.

Reclamation rates are very poor. I have a few friends out in Calgary that have seen it up close and most of the land is scorched with very little actually reclaimed.

Edit.. Yea, here's a better depiction of what's actually reclaimed. Keep in mind that "cleared" land is wiped of all vegetation. "Disturbed" land (lol) is land that is currently in production.

 

Durry

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Reclamation work is pretty good. Recently reclamied land does not look as good as older reclamied land. That's because nature has had a chance to work and do its thing.
There is more emphasis on reclamation now than there was 5 or 10 yrs ago. Progress sometimes takes time..
 

petros

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Soil Sciences have made leaps and bounds in the past ten years. Land may looked reclaimed by planting trees but it's complete return to true forest requires ways to expedite soil restoration.
 

taxslave

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That's a Green Peace perspective.
Hardly objective or balanced.

We've put up with 20 years of greenpeace BS about clearcut logging. Lies and half truths are better for getting donations from the gullible citiots than the truth. The anti fishfarm crowd work the same way.
 

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I'm not a citiot. I have lived in the forest for decades. I know a forest when I see one and tree farms are not forests. They are orchards without fruit. Clearcuts are a testament to the monumental stupidity of greed and ignorance. There is nothing scientific about it. It is all about expediency and the greatest profit possible from the least amount of work. It takes hundreds of years to grow a natural forest and only a few decades to grow a tree farm. Tree farms lack the biodiversity of a natural forest.
 

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I'm not a citiot. I have lived in the forest for decades. I know a forest when I see one and tree farms are not forests. They are orchards without fruit. Clearcuts are a testament to the monumental stupidity of greed and ignorance. There is nothing scientific about it. It is all about expediency and the greatest profit possible from the least amount of work. It takes hundreds of years to grow a natural forest and only a few decades to grow a tree farm. Tree farms lack the biodiversity of a natural forest.

Well put!
 

petros

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The BC clear cuts don't even come close to what was/is being clear cut in AB/SK/MB for farm land over the past 120+ years. Ya'll gotta eat.
 

taxslave

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I'm not a citiot. I have lived in the forest for decades. I know a forest when I see one and tree farms are not forests. They are orchards without fruit. Clearcuts are a testament to the monumental stupidity of greed and ignorance. There is nothing scientific about it. It is all about expediency and the greatest profit possible from the least amount of work. It takes hundreds of years to grow a natural forest and only a few decades to grow a tree farm. Tree farms lack the biodiversity of a natural forest.

Bull****
 

Cliffy

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The BC clear cuts don't even come close to what was/is being clear cut in AB/SK/MB for farm land over the past 120+ years. Ya'll gotta eat.
The problem is, clearcuts are unsustainable. BC logging is done in mountainous areas that are unsuitable for any kind of agriculture other than tree farms. Up until the 60s, logging was done selectively. That was sustainable, then clercutting came in and then heavy machinery replaced men on the ground. When I came here in 72 there were three times more people working in the industry and 1/3rd the trees being cut. Everybody made money, now nobody does. There are very few areas where logging is economical because all that is left is too steep. The province was raped and pillaged to the point where the industry has died and loggers are blaming environmentalists instead of their own greed and malice. Loggers have no one to blame but themselves and the stupidity of the timber industry that closes mills and sends raw logs out of country.
 

Cliffy

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Have you seen how the new houses are are all sheated with OSB?
That's because most of the trees being cut are too small for even 2X4s. They just lathe them into shavings for OSB. I've seen truck loads of pecker poles they would have trouble getting one 8 foot 2X4 out of.