Israeli Planes Attack Gaza Targets
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What you still preaching that nonsense. The decision to leave Gaza was made out of strength, Israel was hoping for a better future. That was their only mistake. You mistakes are your misconception of the facts.
Why? You'll only ignore what you can disprove or dismiss.
I'm not the only one with an MO.
I am however, the only one (Between the two of us) that concedes to fact.
They really haven't left Gaza until they relinquish their control over air and sea. They continue to control everything that goes in and out of Gaza.
You said that before in one of your other incarnations. You ignored it when I proved it then. Just like how you ignored Egypt now.
No cargo officially goes in or out of Gaza without going through Israel first. The official crossing to Egypt is for people only. Which explains why most of what comes and goes from Gaza passes through underground through tunnels to Egypt including arms.
As many as 3,000 Israeli troops were needed in Gaza to protect 7,500 Israeli settlers at a cost tens of
millions of dollars per year. Gaza's growing population and deteriorating security situation made the possibility of continuing that presence ever more difficult. Certainly those settlers didn't generate enough revenue to justify their cost. Israel's propaganda machine tried to portray this retreat as some sort of peace gesture, when the plan all along was to turn Gaza into a giant prison. The reality is that Israel didn't give up much when they pulled out. They just redeployed the troops to the West Bank, seized more of the West Bank and created more Jewish only colonies. Today far more Israeli colonists live on land supposedly reserved for a future Palestinian state than they did back then and the numbers keep growing.
As many as 3,000 Israeli troops were needed in Gaza to protect 7,500 Israeli settlers at a cost tens of
millions of dollars per year. Gaza's growing population and deteriorating security situation made the possibility of continuing that presence ever more difficult. Certainly those settlers didn't generate enough revenue to justify their cost. Israel's propaganda machine tried to portray this retreat as some sort of peace gesture, when the plan all along was to turn Gaza into a giant prison. The reality is that Israel didn't give up much when they pulled out. They just redeployed the troops to the West Bank, seized more of the West Bank and created more Jewish only colonies. Today far more Israeli colonists live on land supposedly reserved for a future Palestinian state than they did back then and the numbers keep growing.
BULL****!
At the time, the Israelis made it VERY clear that Gaza was a test case, and that, if successful, the same type of withdrawal would take place in the West Bank.
But the Gazans had to engage in an orgy of destruction of what the Israelis left behind, and immediately turned Gaza into a launch point for attacks against Israel.
Once again a chance for "Palestinian" autonomy snatched away by.....the "Palestinians"
And yes, the land availible for the "Palestinian" state keeps shrinking. You'd think they'd smarten the hell up..
Notice how he says Palestine is a country in one part and then says it isn't in another part. Too bad he can't be consistent.
quote me.
AKA ethnic cleansing.
also it makes little difference whether Palestinians resist violently or do nothing. This has been going on for 44 years now.
AKA ethnic cleansing.
also it makes little difference whether Palestinians resist violently or do nothing. This has been going on for 44 years now.
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one
You must like getting your ass handed to you, because I keep do it to you over and over.
Egypt Lifts Blockade, Along With the Gazans’ Hopes
May 28, 2011
But read the fine print:
... after the revolution, Egypt began loosening its border restrictions as well. By the beginning of May, the border station was already open several days a week, and patients needing medical treatment, registered students and some others were allowed to cross. And the formal, seven-days-a-week opening on Saturday did not remove all restrictions. It left in place a blockade on the shipment into Gaza of goods, including concrete that is badly needed to repair buildings damaged in clashes with Israel. “This is good, but we are looking for Egypt to break the siege, to allow the shipment of cement and trade,” said Gamal el-Din, a Palestinian engineer entering Egypt. Egyptian officials have said they hope to soon open the border to at least some goods. There are still restrictions on passengers as well...
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/29/world/middleeast/29egypt.html?pagewanted=2&_r=2&ref=world
Also:
08.06.11
Israel says Cairo must not heed Hamas demands to allow commercial goods to pass through Rafah, a move that would undermine a four-year blockade of the territory Hamas seized in 2007 from forces loyal to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. The Rafah crossing from Gaza to Egypt is for people. All cargo in/out of Gaza must cross through the Karni Crossing from Gaza to Israel...
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...amas-reopen-rafah-crossing-with-gaza-1.366617
The Karni Crossing (Arabic: معبر كارني or معبر المنطار, Hebrew: מעבר קרני) is a cargo terminal on the Israel-Gaza Strip barrier. It is located in the north-eastern end of the Gaza Strip and was opened in 1994 after the signing of the Oslo Accords, in order to allow Palestinian merchants to export and import goods.
Like I said: No cargo officially goes in or out of Gaza without going through Israel first. The official crossing to Egypt is for people only.
When Israel closes this border crossing for cargo as they do frequently, it interferes with the delivery of international food and medical humanitarian aid. Israel determines what goods may enter and leave Gaza. According to the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs at various times, Israel has blocked goods including wheelchairs, dry food items, and crayons, stationary, soccer balls, and musical instruments. International aid group Mercy Corps said it was blocked from sending 90 tons of macaroni and other foodstuffs. After international pressure, Israeli authorities said that they were giving the shipment a green light. Israel was also reported to have prevented aid groups from sending in other items, such as paper, crayons,[citation needed] tomato paste and lentils.[105] ...Tin cans are banned... making it hard for Gazan farmers to preserve their vegetables. In January, 2010, the Israeli group Gisha took Israeli authorities to court, forcing them to reveal which goods were permitted and which goods weren't. The Israeli government replied that canned fruit, fruit juices and chocolate are blocked, while at the same time canned meat, canned tuna, mineral water, sesame paste, tea and coffee are allowed into the Gaza Strip. According to the Failing Gaza after one year report by Amnesty International and other organisations cement, glass, steel, bitumen, wood, paint, doors, plastic pipes, metal pipes, metal reinforcement rods, aggregate, generators, high voltage cables and wooden telegraph poles are "high priority reconstruction materials currently with no or highly limited entry into Gaza through official crossings." Palestinians who negotiated the 2008 cease-fire believed that the commerce in Gaza was to be restored to the levels preceding Israel's withdrawal in 2005 and Hamas's electoral victory.
No cargo officially goes in or out of Gaza without going through Israel first. The official crossing to Egypt is for people only.
You must like getting your ass handed to you, because I keep do it to you over and over.
Egypt Lifts Blockade, Along With the Gazans’ Hopes
May 28, 2011
But read the fine print:
... after the revolution, Egypt began loosening its border restrictions as well. By the beginning of May, the border station was already open several days a week, and patients needing medical treatment, registered students and some others were allowed to cross. And the formal, seven-days-a-week opening on Saturday did not remove all restrictions. It left in place a blockade on the shipment into Gaza of goods, including concrete that is badly needed to repair buildings damaged in clashes with Israel. “This is good, but we are looking for Egypt to break the siege, to allow the shipment of cement and trade,” said Gamal el-Din, a Palestinian engineer entering Egypt. Egyptian officials have said they hope to soon open the border to at least some goods. There are still restrictions on passengers as well...
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/29/world/middleeast/29egypt.html?pagewanted=2&_r=2&ref=world
Also:
08.06.11
Israel says Cairo must not heed Hamas demands to allow commercial goods to pass through Rafah, a move that would undermine a four-year blockade of the territory Hamas seized in 2007 from forces loyal to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. The Rafah crossing from Gaza to Egypt is for people. All cargo in/out of Gaza must cross through the Karni Crossing from Gaza to Israel...
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...amas-reopen-rafah-crossing-with-gaza-1.366617
The Karni Crossing (Arabic: معبر كارني or معبر المنطار, Hebrew: מעבר קרני) is a cargo terminal on the Israel-Gaza Strip barrier. It is located in the north-eastern end of the Gaza Strip and was opened in 1994 after the signing of the Oslo Accords, in order to allow Palestinian merchants to export and import goods.
Like I said: No cargo officially goes in or out of Gaza without going through Israel first. The official crossing to Egypt is for people only.
When Israel closes this border crossing for cargo as they do frequently, it interferes with the delivery of international food and medical humanitarian aid. Israel determines what goods may enter and leave Gaza. According to the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs at various times, Israel has blocked goods including wheelchairs, dry food items, and crayons, stationary, soccer balls, and musical instruments. International aid group Mercy Corps said it was blocked from sending 90 tons of macaroni and other foodstuffs. After international pressure, Israeli authorities said that they were giving the shipment a green light. Israel was also reported to have prevented aid groups from sending in other items, such as paper, crayons,[citation needed] tomato paste and lentils.[105] ...Tin cans are banned... making it hard for Gazan farmers to preserve their vegetables. In January, 2010, the Israeli group Gisha took Israeli authorities to court, forcing them to reveal which goods were permitted and which goods weren't. The Israeli government replied that canned fruit, fruit juices and chocolate are blocked, while at the same time canned meat, canned tuna, mineral water, sesame paste, tea and coffee are allowed into the Gaza Strip. According to the Failing Gaza after one year report by Amnesty International and other organisations cement, glass, steel, bitumen, wood, paint, doors, plastic pipes, metal pipes, metal reinforcement rods, aggregate, generators, high voltage cables and wooden telegraph poles are "high priority reconstruction materials currently with no or highly limited entry into Gaza through official crossings." Palestinians who negotiated the 2008 cease-fire believed that the commerce in Gaza was to be restored to the levels preceding Israel's withdrawal in 2005 and Hamas's electoral victory.
Your fascination with my ass aside. Doesn't gas and fuel meet the standard of 'commercial goods'?
Like I said: Bullsh!t
Like I said: Bullsh!t
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Like I said: No cargo officially goes in or out of Gaza without going through Israel first. The official crossing to Egypt is for people only.
Sure Egypt allows an unlimited amount of crappy grade gasoline to be smuggled into Gaza. I was referring to how Israel interferes with humanitarian food and medical aid. But if you want to count this smuggled crap gasoline as humanitarian aid, go ahead.
Apparently that crap is so bad it could be counted as deliberate sabotage, considering what it does to engines.
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Petrol and diesel for private cars and public transportation have not been imported from Israel since November 2, 2008, except for a small amount for UNRWA. The union of Gaza's gas station owners estimates that some 100,000 liters of diesel and 70,000 liters of petrol are brought through the tunnels daily. Egypt, which in the past two months has been restricting the trade movement through the tunnels, does not limit the supply of gas and fuel. But since Egyptian fuel is heavier than Israeli fuel, it damages the newer cars in Gaza and causes malfunctions.
Amira Hass / Israel bans books, music and clothes from entering Gaza - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
Sure Egypt allows an unlimited amount of crappy grade gasoline to be smuggled into Gaza. I was referring to how Israel interferes with humanitarian food and medical aid. But if you want to count this smuggled crap gasoline as humanitarian aid, go ahead.
Apparently that crap is so bad it could be counted as deliberate sabotage, considering what it does to engines.
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Petrol and diesel for private cars and public transportation have not been imported from Israel since November 2, 2008, except for a small amount for UNRWA. The union of Gaza's gas station owners estimates that some 100,000 liters of diesel and 70,000 liters of petrol are brought through the tunnels daily. Egypt, which in the past two months has been restricting the trade movement through the tunnels, does not limit the supply of gas and fuel. But since Egyptian fuel is heavier than Israeli fuel, it damages the newer cars in Gaza and causes malfunctions.
Amira Hass / Israel bans books, music and clothes from entering Gaza - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
Ya, you keeping saying that. But then you go and prove me right....
Whether you like it or not, that's cargo, and/or commercial goods.
Thanks for acknowledging the FACT that I was right.
Your lies, goal post moving and excuses, meant purely to demonize Israel, are what make you a Joo hater.
Carry on.