Mentalfloss, would you mind posting your specific issues with the crime bill and address what you think it will be harmful?
Crime bill decreases Canadians' safety
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I made a comment about lack of rehab and mental health services in the corrections biz. A system like this is only going to **** things up even more.
I'm probably not as critical as the opposition is on specific issues, but basically, from a general standpoint -- firstly, the bill is not absolutely imperative as evidenced by crime stats and public opinion, and secondly, I'm worried about the lack of rehabilitative consideration - so it could even be harmful in many cases.
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Criminal warehousing has become an industry.
There are lots of sweet supply and service contracts to be had. Each minimum sentence is a guaranteed term contract for those suppliers.
How much longer before the ones built on our dime are filled and private ones built in Canada? Even US companies could house US criminals here if they found a way to make it cheaper and more profitable.
All without any rehab or mental health treatment.
When these crazies are let out untreated 5,10, 15, 20 years later they will be totally bat **** gonzo.
I really don't dig that ****.
There are lots of sweet supply and service contracts to be had. Each minimum sentence is a guaranteed term contract for those suppliers.
How much longer before the ones built on our dime are filled and private ones built in Canada? Even US companies could house US criminals here if they found a way to make it cheaper and more profitable.
All without any rehab or mental health treatment.
When these crazies are let out untreated 5,10, 15, 20 years later they will be totally bat **** gonzo.
I really don't dig that ****.
One good thing about having real prison terms is that it limits the number of repeat offenders. The catch and release program we have been suffering through does not protect citizens from crime.
I think statistics mean very little to victims of crime. At present we have a revolving door on our prisons. I mentioned the case of my father, but in addition there are repeat offenders who go to jail and return to a life of crime. As for rehabilitation, there haven't been any real rehabilitation measures in the prison system for a number of decades.
I'd like to see some line by line issues before I pass judgment on this bill.
We have X amount of crime now. Behaviour Y is not currently an offence. You introduce a bill that makes behaviour Y an offence. The new crime rate is now X + Y. Pretty clear...
Well the new offences are for gun related crimes...throwing bones to the conservative base give the opposition talking points, but it will be a while yet before any of their changes actually come into force. I mean imagine the political points, gun registry gone, and gun crimes go up...lol.
Yea, the Cons may want to reconsider how they group some of these offenses before they shoot themselves in the foot.
Hey, why don't we drive crime statistics to 0 by making all crime legal?
Murder, rape, theft, all legal. Presto! We now live in a crime-free society!
Put that statistic in your pipe and smoke it:lol:
Bacuase that's retarded. Come to think of it I wonder why that isn't in this retarded crime bill. Maybe they're all out of retard, one can hope anyways.
Of course it's retarded. Almost:smile: as :lol: re:lol:tarded as saying crime will increase.
No, crime actually will increase....I thought we went over this. I can use the little blocks my mother uses in her Grade primary class room if you like?
Here's an example perhaps you can understand. Someone breaks into a house and steals some things, including guns. Stealing a gun is now going to be a separate offence. So now we add one charge for stealing guns. The same crime the day before the bill is in force, one less crime committed.
That's what happens when you +1...the quantity get's larger...
No, crime actually will increase....I thought we went over this. I can use the little block my mother uses in her Grade primary class room if you like?
That's okay I have one here. Okay sliiiiiiiide. Done.
Sounds good to me.
Again sounds good too me. Keeps the criminal in jail longer.
We can agree on that. What I know of the present laws is that in a lot of cases the punishment doesn't fit the crime. So, if in the perpetration of the crime a criminal is charged with burglary and also with destruction of property and theft of firearms I don't see what the issue is.
If this leads to a criminal serving an additional 2 or three years I have one answer for that.
If you don't want to do the time don't do the crime.
Well for starters I haven't yet given my opinion on the law yet except that I find it overall to be retarded. I was just explaining how it's not really that silly to say crime will go up when more behaviour is criminalized.
As for what I do think is wrong with this bill?
1. The Conservatives refuse to consider mental illness.
2. The mandatory minimums come along with more conditions, so what we end up with is a justice system that has to work harder now for a conviction. There will be more criteria that need to be met. What may end up happening is plea deals for lesser crimes.
3. The madatory minimums treat someone who had one bad moment of judgement their entire lives the same as a hardened life-long criminal. That's fundamentally unfair. That's not an adjective we should ever be building into our justice system.
4. The mandatory minimums eliminate conditional sentences for some minor crimes, $100,000 a year for each of these seems to be a waste of tax payer money.
5. Bill C-10 in no way addresses a legal aid system stretched to the breaking point, the overwhelmed offices of crown prosecutors, or the lack of resources police forces have to do the job we ask. In fact it's sure to make things worse.
6. As with the price tag of our new fighter jets, there doesn't seem to be a reliable estimate of just how much this will cost, and in fact provinces are saying that they won't be footing the bill.
7. I saved the most important for last. Decades of research and observations from around the world shows that this type of approach to crime doesn't do anything to actually reduce crime. So we're going to be paying a whole lot of money for nothing. What does get results? Addressing child poverty, treating the mentally ill, keeping children out of crime school, things like that.
They won't do the crime if we invest in them earlier, at least far fewer numbers will. But then evidence doesn't really have to guide policies...only good policy, and this crime bill is not good policy.
Didn't they get pissed at Statscan for not including "unreported crime" ?? :lol: