Canada won't confirm Kyoto withdrawal
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Please read Massimo Pigliucci's "Nonsense on Stilts" which is actually a credible assessment of scientific study and not a work of fiction.
Then get back to me and we can play parcheesy.
Or you can continue to neg rep me when you get your panties in a twist.
It all depends on what you mean by "err on the side of caution". If you mean put resources into R&D of alternative energy sources, I'm with you. If you mean get into fake enviromentalist scams like Cap & Trade, I'm totally against you.
If we act precipitously and throw the balance of nature out the other way, its just as bad as what the climate change alarmists are afraid of right now. Science isn't always of case of X = good, so 2 or 3 times X = better. Quite often that is NOT the case in chemistry.
I want to clarify my stance: eliminating our emissions isn't a bad thing, IMO. It is something to work toward. We should not cut our throats economically to make it happen over night, however. The biggest issue I see is that climate change alarmism is based on shoddy/incomplete work: the models don't track like they should to support the conclusions too many are trying to make.
BS: Kyoto is bad policy based on bad science, bolstered by a politically correct lack of backbone. If the planet was really in that much danger, allowing poorer nations to carry on practices that negate what the wealthier countries are trying to do to mitigate a disaster is ridiculous.
One thing that keeps coming up too, is the blame issued to fossil fuel consumption, and while I've seen papers claiming that fossil fuel emissions account for up to 40% of our greenhouse gas emissions, we ignore the impact that increasing population has on GHG emission, and that is arguably higher than our industrial emissions: we create CO2 by breathing, as do the animals we raise for food. If we are serious about penalizing industrial emissions, why is there basically a bonus to countries who do not control their populations (i.e. teach their people about birth control) and thus compound their "need" for more heavily polluting indutries to eliminate their poverty?
If its such a danger and we want to truly address "man made climate change", how come people want to ignore the most important contributor with agreements like Kyoto?
Cap & Trade is definitely a scam. R&D is good, but we do need a carbon tax.
The alarmism is an unfortunate response to the blatant ignorance the public endures regarding the existence of AGW. Once the public can finally accept the science, the scope and timeframe for this kind of development will become more realistic.
Kyoto's only real goal was to get industrialized nations on board as they are priority. It's not based on bad science or policy, but the industrialized nations (except for parts of the EU) did not keep up to their end of the deal.
That's always been part of the discussion. You should check out the oneclimate.net coverage of the event, as they tackle a number of human factors that impact the climate. Carbon emissions are simply the most prominent and therefore given higher priority.
Keep in mind that Kyoto was developed in 1997 and we still have people now who don't fully understand this dilemma. As the body of evidence continues to mount, the science becomes more credible and the policy can reflect that.
Why? CO2 is a resource. An asset becuase it's needed to extract even more oil.
It's a resource that we need to gradually stop using as we gradually increase our capability for renewables.
To you.
In order for 'moral high ground' to mean anything, the same set of morals would have to be agreed to by everyone involved.
Except, in the mean time for you is simply a gap of time between the past and the future where we do nothing and ignore both the former and the latter.
Of course.
But someone has to bite the bullet and lead the way or else everyone will just point the finger.
I don't think you understand the scale of industry being built in the west and the size of infrastructure and urban growth required to keep things shiny and polished out east.
Money is another thing you need to think about. Not money to industrialize in a green way but putting the Canadian dollar on the global market so it's actually worth something to do all this ****.
We are North America now BTW with integrated economies moving towards a single currency backed by black and pink gold.
Money is another thing you need to think about. Not money to industrialize in a green way but putting the Canadian dollar on the global market so it's actually worth something to do all this ****.
We are North America now BTW with integrated economies moving towards a single currency backed by black and pink gold.
Erring on the side of caution is using best practices and technology. Blindly following the word of gloom & doomers with a vested interest in getting donations will destroy our economy and tax us to death.
You do understand the word "gradual", right?
Except in this case it would be taxing us to life.
Do you want modern, efficient, green NSEW hi-speed rail for freight and passengers and infratstructure or not?
Have you ever considered that air freight is now more profitable than carrying passenger? How many air freighters equal trucks on the ground? How much time is saved? How much greener is it? Would people take hi-speed rail instead of the more expensive flying if they had a rail system to ride?
Would a Hub to Hub system work well making trucks only for short haul with majority by rail and air greener?
Get a grip on Toto and follow the Black and Pink Brick and Transmission Line Hub to Hub Corridors!
Another thing about gradual.
Every time you buy a Coke to save a polar bear you are funding a group that is "gradually" buying up vast tracts of land cutting off Native fishing and hunting rights.
To me that sounds like an attack being set up. It makes sense to have a beach head and attack from the north.
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If you want to believe whatever characterization of me you've made up in your head, I won't stop you, but please, keep the crazy to yourself.