Remembrance day forgotten
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Who cares if you are pissed? Where on this topic has anyone glorified war? The people who support Remembrance Day are mourning
the tens of thousands of dead Canadian soldiers---a good number of whom hadn't yet seen their twentieth birthday. All the lives they could have lived, all the things they might have done----cut short by a bullet, or an artillery shell that barely left enough to bury. I've seen the rows of crosses from both wars and war leaves nothing to glorify it. I feel nothing but sadness at the terrible waste of young men.
Canada did not fight a revolution. It won its freedom through negotiation. WWI and II had nothing to do with our freedom. WWI was about our obligations to the Commonwealth and WWII had to do with protecting England. At neither time were we in danger of losing our freedom. Afghanistan is another kettle of fish but it certainly has nothing to do with our freedom, nor did Korea. So your assertion is nonsense.
In school we were always taught that November 11 was Armistice Day - the day there was a cessation of hostilities in WW I. It was done to celebrate an end to the fighting, not as an homage to the civilian war dead. I distinctly remember calendars listing that as Armistice Day when I was in my youth. The name was changed to Veteran's Day during the 1940s, we did not use that name until well into the 1960s (don't exactly remember when).
Now, as for Peace on Earth, this was always held to be a matter for Christmas because of Jesus being the Prince of Peace.
Now, as for Peace on Earth, this was always held to be a matter for Christmas because of Jesus being the Prince of Peace.
Everyone is "pro-peace" but apparently you never understood for that reason we must also be anti-bully. Being there is a true standard of right and wrong, there are circumstances when we are MORALLY JUSTIFIED to fight tyranny. And if you don't think so, tell us why you think you're MORALLY JUSTIFIED to oppose necessary conflict and basically appease evil?
You do realize that if drafted, put on a battlefield scared sh'tless with an enemy shooting at you, that you have no choice but to kill or be killed? And yes the did suffer! Like you said, they killed their fellow man, those violent images has to affect someone negatively, plus they had to watch their own friends die as well!
And do have any idea how many memorials and museums they're are around the world dedicated to victims of war? One day in Canada is set aside to remember people who sacrificed FOR YOU! People died so you can breathe freedom, yet you take that sacrifice and therefore your own freedom for granted!
Good. Maybe that means reality is sinking in.
Even if that was true, would we still not be justified in stopping Hitler? How many more millions would have died under fascist rule if he won and controlled Europe?
In the Vietnam war, we failed to stop another evil called communism. Pol Pot solidified control of Cambodia and the result was the death of another 2 million people through forced labor, malnutrition and executions!
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Hitler would not have come to power if the alliance had not imposed such strict sanctions on Germany that created such hardships. The alliance created Hitler and like Frankenstein's monster, he tried to wreak revenge on his creator.
Do you think Pol Pot would have come to power if the US did not bomb the crap out of Cambodia in an illegal and undeclared war that was denied by Tricky Dicky? You have a very skewed view of events. Might have something to do with you not having been around at the time.
Do you think Pol Pot would have come to power if the US did not bomb the crap out of Cambodia in an illegal and undeclared war that was denied by Tricky Dicky? You have a very skewed view of events. Might have something to do with you not having been around at the time.
Again, the perpetrator is absolved of responsibility through your fuzzy logic. We created Hitler, we caused communists to kill innocent people in Cambodia, we caused 9/11...
If a jealous husband murdered the guy who smiled at his wife, you'd be the one neighbor telling the 6 o'clock news "Johnny shouldn't have talked to Bill's wife, see the jealously he caused? ..." !!!
Oh I'm sure if we just kept our noses out of it from the beginning, communism would have died out on its own. :roll:
Communism was little more than a red herring. Vietnam was not about communism
it was about fighting an extension of the cold war. There were several wars going
on at the same time in that one.
As for the meaning of Armistice Day that I believe was an American term but i could
be wrong. The Americans of course didn't come into WW I until 1917 when the real
fighting was almost over, everyone else of not had been in battle since 1914. It was
good they came in but it was a little late for sure. Even in WW!! they didn't make it
until 1942 while everyone else squared off back in 1939. Again it was a good thing
they came in but they showed up late at the party.
I do not condemn them though the people of America were isolationist and the
government at the time were under pressure from, yes you guessed it the Republicans.
They had a wacky group that were the opposite of what they later became, and they
put the world at risk. Today, we have the Tea Party a radical group of extreme and
dysfunctional conservatives who financially have put the country at risk in order to front
their own self interest.
As for the American forces, they played a great roll once they came in and they served
the world well, in their efforts. It was a case of the world didn't observe what was going
on until it was nearly too late and from there the west decided it would be more vigilant
and we would protect our interests. Remembrance Day is a chance to reflect on how
the free nations of the world can come together when the danger is recognized.
it was about fighting an extension of the cold war. There were several wars going
on at the same time in that one.
As for the meaning of Armistice Day that I believe was an American term but i could
be wrong. The Americans of course didn't come into WW I until 1917 when the real
fighting was almost over, everyone else of not had been in battle since 1914. It was
good they came in but it was a little late for sure. Even in WW!! they didn't make it
until 1942 while everyone else squared off back in 1939. Again it was a good thing
they came in but they showed up late at the party.
I do not condemn them though the people of America were isolationist and the
government at the time were under pressure from, yes you guessed it the Republicans.
They had a wacky group that were the opposite of what they later became, and they
put the world at risk. Today, we have the Tea Party a radical group of extreme and
dysfunctional conservatives who financially have put the country at risk in order to front
their own self interest.
As for the American forces, they played a great roll once they came in and they served
the world well, in their efforts. It was a case of the world didn't observe what was going
on until it was nearly too late and from there the west decided it would be more vigilant
and we would protect our interests. Remembrance Day is a chance to reflect on how
the free nations of the world can come together when the danger is recognized.
No it didn't! Vietnam AND Laos are Socialist Republic, single-party-states to this day! The tyrants took over at the end of the Vietnam war!
Hello!!!!
You have a very Glen Beck way of looking at reality. There is not and never has been a communist state on the planet. Socialist, maybe, but what you call communist is more of a dictatorship. If you ever read Marks you would know that no one has ever put his ideas into action. You fear communism because of propaganda not because you have any idea what it is. Don't feel bad, most people do.
That's Bullsh!t and you know it!
I'll play along though. If it was "socialists" that killed millions and millions of people in the 20th century, then why should we trust an even further left ideology like communism? What else could communism have in store? Surely nothing better!
Your endorsement of a murderous ideology is dangerous. My Grand-pappy warned me about people like you!
Maybe I wasn't clear. The ones responsible for those murders were dictators, not communists and certainly not socialists. It is kinda like pedophiles or adulterers hiding behind their religion.That's Bullsh!t and you know it!
I'll play along though. If it was "socialists" that killed millions and millions of people in the 20th century, then why should we trust an even further left ideology like communism? What else could communism have in store? Surely nothing better!
Your endorsement of a murderous ideology is dangerous. My Grand-pappy warned me about people like you!
Oh, and I am not a socialist or a communist. I am an anarchist and I know you have no idea what that means.
So now the ideology (communism or socialism) doesn't have anything to do with it! I suppose we should give communism one more chance eh? :roll:
Further, try telling people here in Canada who fled communism that it was the dictators and not the communist ideology that was responsible for "those murders". "Those murders" are a pesky little fact to your communist utopia!
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As long as humans remain at about an 8 year old emotional level of development, there will always be assholes who will try to dominate and exploit other humans, not matter what ideology they claim to follow. Many on here are stuck in the delusion that we actually live in a democracy. All you are doing is playing with meaningless words. The world is not run by governments. It is run by tyrants who control the money.
Oh, and sorry for getting off topic. I'm hitting the sack now. You can go back to the OP.
Oh, and sorry for getting off topic. I'm hitting the sack now. You can go back to the OP.
So according to you there is a lot of blame to go around for the pain and suffering on the earth: Crusading Christians (following their ideology), greedy people and corporations (following their capitalist ideology) white settlers stealing native land (following their manifest-destiny ideology) but Communism is an ideology whose ideas were "never put into action" and was essentially hijacked by dictators who weren't communist? They were just pretending? C'mon!!!
I agree. Keep Remembrance Day traditional. And while we're ejecting all that civilian dead crap, we better be thorough and eject this "died for your freedom" crap too. Traditional Remembrance Day is about the First World War, and no one died for anyone's freedom in that war. If you want to add the Second World War and other wars, you're changing Remembrance Day and change is bad.
OK, well, guess we all know how we all feel bout it.
See you at the cenotaph at 11:00 AM.
Dress warm.
See you at the cenotaph at 11:00 AM.
Dress warm.
If it weren’t for the Canadian soldiers that liberated the village where my family lived so long ago in a faraway land we would not be discussing this at all in a free land.
This why it is so important to remember our fallen soldiers of yesteryear and present and respect the men and women in our country’s military as they go on in protecting our values.
Today I have decided to do my remembering at the Highway Of Heroes at 11 AM today
This why it is so important to remember our fallen soldiers of yesteryear and present and respect the men and women in our country’s military as they go on in protecting our values.
Today I have decided to do my remembering at the Highway Of Heroes at 11 AM today
That's Bullsh!t and you know it!
I'll play along though. If it was "socialists" that killed millions and millions of people in the 20th century, then why should we trust an even further left ideology like communism? What else could communism have in store? Surely nothing better!
Your endorsement of a murderous ideology is dangerous. My Grand-pappy warned me about people like you!
Ehhh.. it's not the regime itself that kills people. Communism, just as capitalism doesn't kill people. It's those in power that decide to kill others and the activists that use that social organization as an excuse for violence.
Russia and the U.S. could have peacefully co-existed during the cold war, just as China and the U.S. have peacefully co-existed for all these years.