Israel - Apartheid State

[Colpy]

If Israel is has moved 500,000 of its citizens to settlements in the West Bank and is maintaining it in a regime that has different systems for both classes of residents — settlers and locals: transport, education, legal, judiciary, public services, human rights, civil rights, police, taxation, social security etc. — please detail how that is not apartheid?
It sure as hell looks like apartheid. You would need a microscope to tell them apart.

The West Bank is not, was not, and never has been part of Israel. Nor was it ever part of Jordan, although Jordan controled it before 1967. Before that it was part of the British mandate, and before that it was part of the Ottoman Empire.

It is no man's land, belonging to whomever occupies it. Right now the Israeli's control the part with settlements, the Palestinians control the rest. If the Palestinians want to gain actual title to the West Bank and Gaza, they need to negotiate a peace with Israel. Nothing else will do.

They were offered a nation back in the 90s by Ehud Barak. Arafat spat in his face, as nationhood would have exposed his own massive corruption, to the tune of three BILLION dollars stolen from aid money.....

The Palestinians are not the victims of the Israelis, but of their own Arab "brothers", over and over and over.

The longer they wait to negotiate, the more solid the Jewish settlements become. The Israelis forced all settlers out of Gaza (fat lot of good it did them!) and will do so to some degree in the West Bank, but the longer they are there, the more solid their possession of the land will be.

The Arabs need to SETTLE.

 

[Goober]

If Israel is has moved 500,000 of its citizens to settlements in the West Bank and is maintaining it in a regime that has different systems for both classes of residents — settlers and locals: transport, education, legal, judiciary, public services, human rights, civil rights, police, taxation, social security etc. — please detail how that is not apartheid?
It sure as hell looks like apartheid. You would need a microscope to tell them apart.

It has already been proven to be incorrect. So keep on trying. The result will stay the same.

 

[mentalfloss]

I thought the thread couldn't get any lower than rock bottom but oh hey, look - it's Pat Condell!

 

[Colpy]

I thought the thread couldn't get any lower than rock bottom but oh hey, look - it's Pat Condell!

He's great, isn't he???

My brother thought he was my finger puppet the first time he saw him.

lol

 

[Goober]

I thought the thread couldn't get any lower than rock bottom but oh hey, look - it's Pat Condell!

PAT CONDELL'S GODLESS COMEDY

 

[DaSleeper]

PAT CONDELL'S GODLESS COMEDY

How many P C Palestinian hand puppets, with their north end firmly planted in their south end, do you figure we have in this forum???8O

 

[CDNBear]

I thought the thread couldn't get any lower than rock bottom but oh hey, look...

Here you are.

How many P C Palestinian hand puppets, with their north end firmly planted in their south end, do you figure we have in this forum???8O

4...

 

[gore0bsessed]

The West Bank is not, was not, and never has been part of Israel. Nor was it ever part of Jordan, although Jordan controled it before 1967. Before that it was part of the British mandate, and before that it was part of the Ottoman Empire.

It is no man's land, belonging to whomever occupies it. Right now the Israeli's control the part with settlements, the Palestinians control the rest. If the Palestinians want to gain actual title to the West Bank and Gaza, they need to negotiate a peace with Israel. Nothing else will do.

The West Bank is not "no man's land". It's part of the Palestinian territories, which has been occupied by Israel and Jewish settlers reside there illegally. Settlements still are being built, these crazy extremist Hasidics want to remove all Arabs from the land.

The Palestinians are not the victims of the Israelis, but of their own Arab "brothers", over and over and over.

Perhaps a fraction of truth lies within this statement, but Palestinians are undoubtedly victims of Israeli war crimes, either by the government/IDF or anti-Arab settlers. This is a fact, and it's indisputable. Anyone denying this has an ulterior motive.

 

[Goober]

The West Bank is not "no man's land". It's part of the Palestinian territories, which has been occupied by Israel and Jewish settlers reside there illegally. Settlements still are being built, these crazy extremist Hasidics want to remove all Arabs from the land.


Perhaps a fraction of truth lies within this statement, but Palestinians are undoubtedly victims of Israeli war crimes, either by the government/IDF or anti-Arab settlers. This is a fact, and it's indisputable. Anyone denying this has an ulterior motive.

What map shows the Palestinian territories - defined borders please.

 

[gore0bsessed]

Looks like there are Israeli settlements scattered all over the West Bank all the way up to the border with Jordan. Even in areas apparently under Palestinian control.

 

[Goober]

They - Palestinians will not come to the Peace Table due to settlement building - Yet those settlements being built are in areas that the Israeli- Pal Govts already agreed to and would have fallen within Israeli borders.

A number of reason why the Palestinians will not come to the peace table.

One main reason is Hamas - They cannot control Hamas - A demilitarized zone is to be set up in a new State - Try and take Hamas's weapons away. Then ask Islamic Jihad - And the other Islamic Nut Bards - Now who would arrest them in a new State.

The other is that Fatah may lose control over billions in aid over the years that is lining their pockets.

 

[gore0bsessed]

They - Palestinians will not come to the Peace Table due to settlement building - Yet those settlements being built are in areas that the Israeli- Pal Govts already agreed to and would have fallen within Israeli borders.

No, they are NOT within Israeli borders at all! Israel's borders are clearly defined, those settlements are way out of bounds. And you're going to have to show me a link where the Israeli/Palestinian governments agreed to these settlements.
Do you realize the International Court of Justice calls these settlements illegal and NO foreign government supports these settlements?

A number of reason why the Palestinians will not come to the peace table.

One main reason is Hamas - They cannot control Hamas - A demilitarized zone is to be set up in a new State - Try and take Hamas's weapons away. Then ask Islamic Jihad - And the other Islamic Nut Bards - Now who would arrest them in a new State.

The other is that Fatah may lose control over billions in aid over the years that is lining their pockets.

I'm certain the Palestinians have tried to broker peace deals so many times, not sure why you would say they 'will not come to the peace table'. They most certainly will.
Israel only fuels the Palestinian support for Hamas when they go on one of their bombing raids.





Palestinians say Israel imposing steep court fees to prevent lawsuits


Palestinians who lost family members in the Israeli offensive in Gaza say they cannot seek compensation due to near-impossible barriers placed by Israel.

Palestinians say Israel imposing steep court fees to prevent lawsuits - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

 

[Goober]

No, they are NOT within Israeli borders at all! Israel's borders are clearly defined, those settlements are way out of bounds. And you're going to have to show me a link where the Israeli/Palestinian governments agreed to these settlements.
Do you realize the International Court of Justice calls these settlements illegal and NO foreign government supports these settlements?

I'm certain the Palestinians have tried to broker peace deals so many times, not sure why you would say they 'will not come to the peace table'. They most certainly will.
Israel only fuels the Palestinian support for Hamas when they go on one of their bombing raids.

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No, the areas of what would be each State are within a few percentage points - But as you do not know what you rant on about it is expected. Right of return and the big City are the sticking points - ROR will never happen.

Now answer my questions - Please research before you show again your limited knowledge.

 

[gore0bsessed]

So where's that link I asked for?

What?
You don't have one because you just made it up? Oh

 

[Goober]

So where's that link I asked for?

What?
You don't have one because you just made it up? Oh

Israeli settlement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Just one link of many.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/09/12/opinion/mapping-mideast-peace.html

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/blueprint-for-land-swaps-1.364664

 

[gore0bsessed]

Good links. For one thing it contradicts what you were saying about the Palestinians not willing to come to the peace table.
Secondly
As a result, the scenarios outlined below could spare 68 percent to 80 percent of settlers dislocation from their homes by annexing 3.72 percent to 4.73 percent of the land. This would establish a contiguous Palestinian state equal in size to the area of the West Bank and Gaza Strip combined.
That quote shows Israel may realize how many of their settlers are way out of bounds and if agreed to this plan would remove as many as 80% of the settlers from the West Bank!

 

[Goober]

Good links. For one thing it contradicts what you were saying about the Palestinians not willing to come to the peace table.
Secondly
As a result, the scenarios outlined below could spare 68 percent to 80 percent of settlers dislocation from their homes by annexing 3.72 percent to 4.73 percent of the land. This would establish a contiguous Palestinian state equal in size to the area of the West Bank and Gaza Strip combined.
That quote shows Israel may realize how many of their settlers are way out of bounds and if agreed to this plan would remove as many as 80% of the settlers from the West Bank!

Look for other links - They are there - i just gave you a little taste. I am noy BSing when I staed they were within a few percentage points on land. Take it as you may.

Now answer how Israel would have peace in a 2 State solution with Hamas, Islamic Jihad and others that have yet to think of a name to attack Israel. The Palestinians cannot enforce it. There is part of your answer.

 

[gore0bsessed]

You realize Hamas only has power because Israel fuels their support? As I already said. Not to mention Hamas does many good things for Palestinians.
Although it's probably better if they're removed from power in order to for peace to reign, as long as Israel keeps killing Gazans their support will always be there.

 

[Goober]

You realize Hamas only has power because Israel fuels their support? As I already said. Not to mention Hamas does many good things for Palestinians.
Although it's probably better if they're removed from power in order to for peace to reign, as long as Israel keeps killing Gazans their support will always be there.

Palestinian official hints at land swap - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - Israel-Palestinians - msnbc.com

hhttp://english.aljazeera.net/palestinepapers/2011/01/2011122114239940577.html

ttp://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/blueprint-for-land-swaps-1.364664

Summary of Ehud Olmert

Care to answer my question Buckey. I answered yours. Are you here to learn or spout isinformation.

Over to you

 

[CDNBear]

Not to mention Hamas does many good things for Palestinians.

Ya, I do many good things for deer too. I've made mineral licks, food plots, and put out tons of sweet feed over the years.

Then I put a crossbolt through a few fortunate ones.