Canadians to be charged a fee for entering the USA

[EagleSmack]

Which tax for being a foreigner would you have liked exemption from exactly?

How about parity? I did not read them as taxes, they were called surcharges on Air Canada's webpage. From what I read, Canada and Mexico were exempted from this surcharge in 1997. It came up for renewal and the Obama Administration pushed to not have it renewed. No other country was exempted.

Now not to move the goal post but I'd like to point out that I found this out while looking for info on this. 2.0 to 2.5 Million Canadians cross the border each year to avoid Canadian air surcharges. Why is a measley $5.50 such a big deal? And $5.50 is peanuts if you are flying into the US for whatever reason.

Industry airs its grievances

 

[DurkaDurka]

How about parity? From what I read, Canada and Mexico were exempted from this surcharge in 1997. It came up for renewal and the Obama Administration pushed to not have it renewed. No other country was exempted.

Now not to move the goal post but I'd like to point out that I found this out while looking for info on this. 2.0 to 2.5 Million Canadians cross the border each year to avoid Canadian air surcharges. Why is a measley $5.50 such a big deal? And $5.50 is peanuts if you are flying into the US for whatever reason.

Industry airs its grievances

It's not a big deal in my opinion. Many of the people bitching about it would probably never visit the US to begin with.

 

[karrie]

How about parity? I did not read them as taxes, they were called surcharges on Air Canada's webpage. From what I read, Canada and Mexico were exempted from this surcharge in 1997. It came up for renewal and the Obama Administration pushed to not have it renewed. No other country was exempted.

Now not to move the goal post but I'd like to point out that I found this out while looking for info on this. 2.0 to 2.5 Million Canadians cross the border each year to avoid Canadian air surcharges. Why is a measley $5.50 such a big deal? And $5.50 is peanuts if you are flying into the US for whatever reason.

Industry airs its grievances

I don't think it's a big deal if you'll not from my post in here, just was curious what the Canadian equivalent of this particular surcharge is, since you implied we should exempt Americans from it.

 

[EagleSmack]

I don't think it's a big deal if you'll not from my post in here, just was curious what the Canadian equivalent of this particular surcharge is, since you implied we should exempt Americans from it.

So you are tasking me to find something that is equal to $5.50, to which you know there aren't any? Or can I just pick any one surcharge?

 

[captain morgan]

Now not to move the goal post but I'd like to point out that I found this out while looking for info on this. 2.0 to 2.5 Million Canadians cross the border each year to avoid Canadian air surcharges. Why is a measley $5.50 such a big deal? And $5.50 is peanuts if you are flying into the US for whatever reason.

It's not a big deal ES, or at least it shouldn't be... If your travel plans are severely impacted by $5.50, you can't afford to go in the first place.

The big problem that I see is all perceptual; it's no different than seeing the price of a liter of gas go up a couple of cents - the bitching never stops... Reality is though, my tank holds 60 liters and gets me around for a week or 2, so the real cost is $0.60 on the tank that is spread out over 12 or 14 days (literally, a whopping 4 cents a day).

Same thing here.

 

[karrie]

So you are tasking me to find something that is equal to $5.50, to which you know there aren't any? Or can I just pick any one surcharge?

No, you implied that the US had given us a gift of an exemption, and that we hadn't returned the favour. I was curious what surcharge for being a foreigner we had neglected to exempt US citizens from in return for our exemption. Not a dollar amount, but a like charge.

 

[EagleSmack]

No, you implied that the US had given us a gift of an exemption, and that we hadn't returned the favour. I was curious what surcharge for being a foreigner we had neglected to exempt US citizens from in return for our exemption. Not a dollar amount, but a like charge.

I am saying that it was an exemption, not a gift. Simply put, Canada and Mexico have been exempted. Further reading says even US Citizens pay the surcharge. So all the world pays an entry fee including US citizens.

You haven't neglected to exempt us from ANY surchrage. We pay full rate just like the rest of the world. Ain't that a kick! Whereas Canada and Mexico were exempted for from this surcharge for over 10 years. Now it is being reinstated and some are freaking out over the cost of an Airport Lounge beer.

Further research says that Mexico charges an entry fee as well. It is included in your airline ticket though. The rage is... where?

 

[DurkaDurka]

Further research says that Mexico charges an entry fee as well. It is included in your airline ticket though. The rage is... where?

Awesome that you have to pay a surcharge to be kidnapped and murdered eh?

 

[karrie]

I am saying that it was an exemption, not a gift. Simply put, Canada and Mexico have been exempted. Further reading says even US Citizens pay the surcharge. So all the world pays an entry fee including US citizens.

You haven't neglected to exempt us from ANY surchrage. We pay full rate just like the rest of the world. Ain't that a kick! Whereas Canada and Mexico were exempted for from this surcharge for over 10 years. Now it is being reinstated and some are freaking out over the cost of an Airport Lounge beer.

Further research says that Mexico charges an entry fee as well. It is included in your airline ticket though. The rage is... where?

Alright then I must have misread your statement asking where the exemption for travelers to Canada was. . Personally, the cost is the cost, if the gov is broke and can't afford to keep giving an exemption, c'est la vie!

 

[EagleSmack]

Awesome that you have to pay a surcharge to be kidnapped and murdered eh?

I just looked up what it costs to enter Mexico by air OR motor vehicle... $15.50.

Yup, a Canadian must pay Mexico $15.50 to enter.

Outrage?

Alright then I must have misread your statement asking where the exemption for travelers to Canada was. . Personally, the cost is the cost, if the gov is broke and can't afford to keep giving an exemption, c'est la vie!

Nope, US Citizens are charged in full and from what I read, far more than $5.50 when all's said and done. That explains Canadians crossing the border to fly out of US Airports.

 

[BruSan]

I just looked up what it costs to enter Mexico by air OR motor vehicle... $15.50.

Yup, a Canadian must pay Mexico $15.50 to enter.

Outrage?

Nope, US Citizens are charged in full and from what I read, far more than $5.50 when all's said and done. That explains Canadians crossing the border to fly out of US Airports.

Outrage? That would be foolish in the extreme. $5.50 entry fee will still be paid willingly by all those of us who travel from Toronto and it's environs to Buffalo, stay a night in a hotel to access the hotels 21 day free parking priviledge, hop on a direct flight to wherever they're headed and STILL save money over flying out of Toronto on Air Canistan. I'll quite happily pay the $5.50 to give Air Can the finger! I have many times taken a bus to Buffalo and caught a flight to Florida far cheaper than it would cost me to travel the 45 minutes by city shuttle to Pearson and take a flight out of there.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Outrage? That would be foolish in the extreme. $5.50 entry fee will still be paid willingly by all those of us who travel from Toronto and it's environs to Buffalo, stay a night in a hotel to access the hotels 21 day free parking priviledge, hop on a direct flight to wherever they're headed and STILL save money over flying out of Toronto on Air Canistan. I'll quite happily pay the $5.50 to give Air Can the finger! I have many times taken a bus to Buffalo and caught a flight to Florida far cheaper than it would cost me to travel the 45 minutes by city shuttle to Pearson and take a flight out of there.

That is interesting. Might begin to explain why Canada is in better economical shape than the US. Maybe the US should look at their own pricing of accomodations, etc etc as well as border fees.

Awesome that you have to pay a surcharge to be kidnapped and murdered eh?

HOw different is that from paying a border fee into the US and run the risk of being gunned down because everyone and his dog has and is prepared to use their guns.?

The question remains......When will Canada do the same thing. ?? Fair is fair. Canada needs money too. Wonder how the americans would react to that kind of fee.

just musing. Any guesses?? Would they willingly and happily comply or rebel??

We see hundreds of US tourists here ......all year round. Maybe we should pose that question to them as a hypothetical. Most come here , as they feel safe here. & can have a good time without being on guard all the time or wearing Canadian flags as many do over seas.

 

[gopher]

The Obama Administration is made up of complete idiots.

Apparently, the Canadian government charges even more fees than does the USA:

Canadian travel fees hurting more than new U.S. levy

I suppose this shows that conservative Stephen Harper's government is comprised of even bigger idiots.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Apparently, the Canadian government charges even more fees than does the USA:

Canadian travel fees hurting more than new U.S. levy

I suppose this shows that conservative Stephen Harper's government is comprised of even bigger idiots.

can't argue that. :lol:


from your link: ( thanks. )

now be charged when they enter the U.S. by sea or by air.
The new charge will be applied because an exemption that we have enjoyed along with Mexico since 1997 was eliminated by Congress as a deficit reduction measure. The new fee is expected to raise about $90 million a year from Canadian travellers.

Deficit reduction measure. Well it should help some.....

 

[EagleSmack]

That is interesting. Might begin to explain why Canada is in better economical shape than the US. Maybe the US should look at their own pricing of accomodations, etc etc as well as border fees.

Oooo... he touched a spot eh?

HOw different is that from paying a border fee into the US and run the risk of being gunned down because everyone and his dog has and is prepared to use their guns.?

Ooooo.... he really touched a spot!!

The question remains......When will Canada do the same thing. ?? Fair is fair. Canada needs money too. Wonder how the americans would react to that kind of fee.

On top of all of your other fees? Canada needs money? I thought everything was maple syrup and Canadian Bacon up there?

And it is doubtful that Canada will reciprocate.

just musing. Any guesses?? Would they willingly and happily comply or rebel??

We wouldn't bat an eye. We wouldn't even care.

We see hundreds of US tourists here ......all year round. Maybe we should pose that question to them as a hypothetical. Most come here , as they feel safe here.

Don't forget the strip clubs in Montreal!

& can have a good time without being on guard all the time or wearing Canadian flags as many do over seas.

You still believe that myth?

Apparently, the Canadian government charges even more fees than does the USA:

Canadian travel fees hurting more than new U.S. levy

I suppose this shows that conservative Stephen Harper's government is comprised of even bigger idiots.

Glad to see the spell is wearing off Gopher.

Outrage? That would be foolish in the extreme. $5.50 entry fee will still be paid willingly by all those of us who travel from Toronto and it's environs to Buffalo, stay a night in a hotel to access the hotels 21 day free parking priviledge, hop on a direct flight to wherever they're headed and STILL save money over flying out of Toronto on Air Canistan. I'll quite happily pay the $5.50 to give Air Can the finger! I have many times taken a bus to Buffalo and caught a flight to Florida far cheaper than it would cost me to travel the 45 minutes by city shuttle to Pearson and take a flight out of there.

And we welcome the 2.0 to 2.5 Million Canadians that drive across the border and fly out of US Airports each year to avoid those insane fees.

And yet some squawk about a measly $5.50. No more than a beer at an airport lounge.

 

[Bar Sinister]

I would doubt that.

Doubt what?

 

[EagleSmack]

Doubt what?

That your letters will get a positive reaction.

 

[damngrumpy]

First of all its not an isolationist policy at all. The simple solution is to go vacation somewhere
else, and send a copy of pictures to a US Senator that way they know you actually went some
place else. I personally stopped going to America fifteen years ago and I have no desire to
venture that way again. Nope, do my vacations within Canada there is a lot to see and do at
home as it were within Canada.
Don't go, Don't pay that simple.

 

[EagleSmack]

First of all its not an isolationist policy at all. The simple solution is to go vacation somewhere
else, and send a copy of pictures to a US Senator that way they know you actually went some
place else. I personally stopped going to America fifteen years ago and I have no desire to
venture that way again. Nope, do my vacations within Canada there is a lot to see and do at
home as it were within Canada.
Don't go, Don't pay that simple.

Grumpy... they don't care. They wouldn't give it any more thought that me sending a picture of myself in Bermuda. You think the Saskatchewan MP cares where I vacation? It would be funny if some Canadian sent a senator a picture of himself in Mexico. Mexico charges Canadians $15.50 to enter their country.

Canada and Mexico got an exemption in 1997 and now the Obama Administration is lifting the exemption.

People like you are simply not going to visit America. You stopped 15 years ago.

If you have been following along, Canadian fees are far worse than the measley $5.50. And Canadian fees are constantly being increased for people flying into and out of Canada. So yes, this story plays well for people like you. But please ignore the Canadian NAV fee, ATSC fee, Canadian Airport useage fee that is sending about 2 Million Canadians across the border each year to fly out of US Airports to avoid the fees.

 

[mentalfloss]

$500-1000 for a plane ticket and only $5.50 to help the U.S. economic problems.

Makes you wonder if these airlines are making an obscene profit margin.