Gaddafi captured as he fled Sirte

[Ocean Breeze]

When was he supported by the US? They haven't been allies with him in my lifetime. I do remember short periods of time when the US didn't want to kill him. I don't call that a friendship.

BBC had a mini documentary about him and provided a time line for this allied arrangement. There were some comparisons to when the US supported SH and then turned on him too. It was no coincidence that the comparison was made. BBC also reported that there could be an investigation into how this was done ( the butchering ) , who did it , how many took the credit for it etc etc..... as this is no way to start a new type of gov't in a newly developing nation.

He was brutally MURDERED........and that is illegal. inhumane and taints the newness of the nation trying a different path .

 

[Kreskin]

Who cares what someone at the BBC thinks. Some guy drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes writes an op ed. So what?

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Yes we do. If everyone had your attitude we would all be enslaved right now. I wouldn't have freedom and neither would you

really?? and how do you KNOW that for a fact?? Seems you have overdosed on the propaganda and are regurgitating the usual lines that come from the nation to the south of Canada.

How would you like it if China decided to do a regime change in Canada?? if one went by your thinking then ANY nation has the right to do regime changes on others ......on hardly an excuse. All they have to do is have the will and ability. It would not even require a war.......as one nation can hold another hostage financially etc etc.....

there is no limit as to how far politics can go when political leaders are determined.

Regime change in another natiojn by choice IS ILLEGAL. as it should be.

 

[Kreskin]

The English have zero media integrity. They'll say anything about anyone if it can sell newspapers.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Who cares what someone at the BBC thinks. Some guy drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes writes an op ed. So what?

If you don't give a damn.......why bother participating on here at all??? BBC happens to have some of the more intelligent and broad based reporting available on TV and INTERNET. They don't propagandize themselves or the UK. They tell the news items in a factual and non reactive way without sensationalizing it. Plus they are quick with international news as it happens. If you want information ....they are one of the best available along with a couple of Canadian channels. again.....same formula . No sensationalism ......just the facts in an objective and informative manner. It is called responsible news . Not INFOTAINMENT ./

The documentaries that they have are excellent and they are not afraid to ask the tough questions. Questions the no reported in the US would have the guts to ask. (because they would be branded some "name" and fired from their jobs. )

The English have zero media integrity. They'll say anything about anyone if it can sell newspapers.

according to whom???? I think you have them mixed up with the american infotainment media.

They cannot say just anything on the Telie........as if you think that........you don't know the Brits. They HAVE to be on their toes with facts because they adhere to standards.

that is not to say that they don't have their share of tabloid crap. (on the news stand ).......but that is another issue.

 

[Kreskin]

If you don't give a damn.......why bother participating on here at all??? BBC happens to have some of the more intelligent and broad based reporting available on TV and INTERNET. They don't propagandize themselves or the UK. They tell the news items in a factual and non reactive way without sensationalizing it. Plus they are quick with international news as it happens. If you want information ....they are one of the best available along with a couple of Canadian channels. again.....same formula . No sensationalism ......just the facts in an objective and informative manner. It is called responsible news . Not INFOTAINMENT ./

The documentaries that they have are excellent and they are not afraid to ask the tough questions. Questions the no reported in the US would have the guts to ask. (because they would be branded some "name" and fired from their jobs. )



according to whom???? I think you have them mixed up with the american infotainment media.

They cannot say just anything on the Telie........as if you think that........you don't know the Brits. They HAVE to be on their toes with facts because they adhere to standards.

that is not to say that they don't have their share of tabloid crap. (on the news stand ).......but that is another issue.

I consider the "Ghaddafi once a US allie" a bunch of baloney. He saw Saddam get his ass kicked and had a change of heart and tried to cozy up. Apparently it didn't work.

And all that stuff is airmchair quarterbacking. If the acting Libyan transition counsel turned out in the future to be anti-Western terrorist organizers we can all point back to this moment in time and say we must be hypocrites because we backed them (as if we could know that at this moment in history). Hindsight is great, isn't it?

 

[In Between Man]

really?? and how do you KNOW that for a fact??

Yes I do. Read History. Tyranny takes hold when the people do nothing to stop it.

the usual ... that come from the nation to the south of Canada.

Yup, America stands for the inalienable right to freedom. God bless them!

How would you like it if China decided to do a regime change in Canada??

How can they? They don't have any moral reason to do so. They deny freedoms to their own people, if anything we have the moral reason to facilitate a regime change there!

if one went by your thinking then ANY nation has the right to do regime changes on others ......on hardly an excuse.

See! This proves you don't even understand exactly what an objective sense of freedom is! I already told you WE DO HAVE AN EXCUSE. We want the everyday citizen in other countries to have freedom because their governments don't have the right to be tyrannical no matter what! Ask anyone whose suffered under a dictatorship! China has no excuse, we do.

Regime change in another natiojn by choice IS ILLEGAL. as it should be.

:lol: ACCORDING TO WHAT STANDARD? You won't stand up for "absolute moral code" so by what standard to you base your objection to regime change? A piece of paper? How you feel? What others tell you? The United Nations - a bunch of men sitting in a building? Ha!

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Gaddafi's Murder and International Law (video)
Firoze Manji: Nothing in international law allows regime change and assassination of a leader

Gaddafi's Murder and International Law (video) Firoze Manji: Nothing in international law allows regime change and assassination of a leader :: www.uruknet.info :: informazione dal medio oriente :: information from middle east :: [vs-1]


ignoring human rights, committing cold blooded murder of a leader is not a very positive start for a country that wants to become free and civlized. (and law abiding)

......this could easily set the tone for the future ..

another article on the illegality of regime changes. Basic tenet is that a population must have the right to choose their own gov't.

regime changes are breakling international law.

JURIST - Mertus: The Law(?) of Regime Change


as I research this subject I see some real american 'tudes. One in particular: "we are american, we do as we please. " Seems that this sums it up quite effectively. Implications : ;self evident.

Libyan PM says wishes Gaddafi had not been killed

Libyan PM says wishes Gaddafi had not been killed | Reuters


a little late now, ain't it?? All those answers that died with him... but that was the point, wasn't it??

Gaddafi's death: growing revulsion at the treatment of the dictator's body

As hundreds queue to see the former Libyan leader and his son lying dead in cold storage, the NTC is split on what to do next

Gaddafi's death: growing revulsion at the treatment of the dictator's body | World news | The Observer


seems that reality is beginning to sink in in that post euphoric phase ........Let the infighting begin.

 

[CDNBear]

Whole lot of probables, got anything other than your 'opinion' as it means nothing.

Oh oh, division in the ranks of the usual suspects.

Interesting that this lowest form of inhumanity is supported by so many on here. Would bet that they watch this over and over and get vicarious /sick pleasure at the kill. What a blood thirsty gang of misfits to align oneself with.

shameful.

Don't you usually cry about that sort of commentary?

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And Kreskin...

Amazing string of posts dude.

 

[MHz]

No need when I have you stalking me. LOL

One often wonders how criticism falls on the west when one of these fecal larvae finally buys it and suddenly they should be given a trial and a lawyer. Oh I forgot, this was about Africa getting its own satellite.

Actually I put ****tards on ignore, just as bear can verify. Can't even be original in the 'stalker term' shows just how pitiful you really are.

I didn't see the 'moral righteous' West doing anything to curtail the Egyptian dictatorship and as pissed off as the citizens were the deposed dictator still ended up in a 'court'. It is only when the West intervenes that trials take the form of an execution. Since the 'rebels' get the credit they aren't so moral and upright are they? That was a question so obviously you cannot reply as it would make you a liar, a small step upwards for you.

 

[CDNBear]

Actually I put ****tards on ignore, just as bear.

You already admitted I was on your iggy list, because I embarrassed you far to often.

 

[MHz]

He used his life to sow violence and death and so he got his reaping when his countrymen tore him apart.

Other than your word what proof is there that he operated like a School of America graduate. (they trained the death squads that plagued South/Central America for so long)

 

[Locutus]

You already admitted I was on your iggy list, because I embarrassed you far to often.

Never much understood the need for the 'button'. Kinda like hiding under your bed or behind your mom's apron.

Surely people with half a brain can find the inner strength to 'resist we much' and not reply at all. Surely.

Whatever their given rationale needs to be in order to survive another day on an interweb forum. Safety valves such as : That poster is a douche, not worthy, internet tough guy, know-it-all or what have you.

Even if they beg, bait and taunt you, some will succumb to the inevitable teenage urge to 'reply'.

They'll show you boy oh boy. They'll get the 'last word'. Win the big prize.

Cc-cannt resisstt....mmussttt posstt.

:lol:





But I must say Bear, you're one of the few that can bring out the best (and the worst) of what people can give or are currently able to give.

 

[CDNBear]

But I must say Bear, you're one of the few that can bring out the best (and the worst) of what people can give or are currently able to give.

I consider it a public service.

 

[Locutus]

;-) ....

 

[JLM]

what they have in common is that they broke the law. Different laws.....granted...but break it they did. People died as a result of it.

what they have in common is the importance of due process of the law. and that we must never allow the law to be taken into a raging group or one person for action. IF we are to be a law abiding society.....then the laws apply to everyone. And everyone deserves their day in court.

We're being a little hypocritical here aren't we? The trial with Conrad Murray is still in progress so we DON'T know that he broke the law. I suppose you also think Kadaffy never broke the law either.

If Ghaddafi had been hunted down by US ground forces he'd probably still be alive and complaining about mistreatment and his violated rights. He could've put a stop to the bloodshed by stepping down earlier this year. Those who captured him were third and fourth generation victims of his. And they probably lost many good friends and family throughout his selfish final resistance. He'd be alive if he had stepped down when the writing was on the wall. He chose to die.

BTW, word has it that he might be the richest man on the planet, with an accumulated personal wealth of 200 billion. Looks like he raped and pillaged the country for too long.

Yep, it doesn't matter how you slice it the guy was an arch a$$hole! :lol:

He was brutally MURDERED........and that is illegal. inhumane and taints the newness of the nation trying a different path .

How do you unbrutally murder someone? :lol:

 

[earth_as_one]

Whole lot of probables, got anything other than your 'opinion' as it means nothing.
The Shaw of Iran wasn't loved by the people now was he? Don't you remember the rally's that showed the vast majority supported him, even the rebels had to get outside support or they would have cratered. Why no intervention in Egypt, a dictator for the same length of time, the proposed solution was to promote the 2nd in command, didn't he look after the prisons that tortured peole for the US?

Amnesty International`s 2011 Annual Report:
The authorities restricted rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly and repressed virtually all dissent. Hundreds of prisoners continued to be arbitrarily detained on security grounds, including some who had been acquitted by courts or had completed prison sentences, although releases were reported. Foreign nationals suspected of entering Libya irregularly were subject to indefinite detention and ill-treatment; they included refugees and asylum-seekers. At least 18 executions were reported. The government failed to disclose the findings of an investigation into an incident at Abu Salim Prison in 1996 when hundreds of inmates were alleged to have been killed by security forces, and took no action to provide justice for victims of gross human rights violations committed in the 1970s-1990s. ... At least 18 prisoners, possibly more, were reported to have been executed, many of them foreign nationals. In May, a newspaper close to Saif al-Islam al-Gaddafi reported that over 200 people were on death row. In December, Libya was one of the minority of states that voted against the UN General Assembly resolution calling for a moratorium on the death penalty.

War:
Chadian

Mass executions:
In June 1996, security forces killed an estimated 1,200 prisoners in Abu Salim after a failed prison revolt. The Gaddafi government began to inform some families of the victims only in 2001, and it never allowed them to take the bodies for proper burial.
Libya: Use Forensic Experts to Exhume Prison Grave | Human Rights Watch

Support/Funding of attacks against civilians
BBC News - A chance for Libya to build better relations with the outside world



Many western leaders had much to fear if Gaddafi revealed all his secrets.
Libyan papers show UK worked with Gaddafi in rendition operation | World news | The Guardian

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Actually I put ****tards on ignore, just as bear can verify. Can't even be original in the 'stalker term' shows just how pitiful you really are.

Yaddda yadda

I didn't see the 'moral righteous' West doing anything to curtail the Egyptian dictatorship and as pissed off as the citizens were the deposed dictator still ended up in a 'court'. It is only when the West intervenes that trials take the form of an execution. Since the 'rebels' get the credit they aren't so moral and upright are they? That was a question so obviously you cannot reply as it would make you a liar, a small step upwards for you.

That was because Mubarak offered stability to the region. Now, Egypt is siziing up to be a lovely place. Not unlike Pakistan, we will have many issues to come.

It would be nice if they had descent leadership, but this seems to be the choice.

• Scumbag dictator; or
• Scumbag religious zealot

Not much of a choice I know.

 

[Angstrom]

Yet again I am ashamed to call myself Canadian and part of NATO.

Well at least will keep getting 500 million a year rent for telecommunication from Africa now.
And Africa will never get there own currency bank they where planning to start this year.

Them two things alone would have sucked for our economy.
We get to financialy enslave Africa again for the next 100 years yay!!!

We are a bunch of a&&holes you know.

 

[CDNBear]

Yet again I am ashamed to call myself Canadian and part of NATO.

We're ashamed you call yourself Canadian too.