Judge tosses attempt to limit Afghan report

CDNBear

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To me,it's not that it happened,the handover,torture thing,but that fat steve and his gaggle of yes men knew about it,condoned it and lied about it.I don't believe a word that bunch says.
Not to dismiss the culpability of the present gov't and all, but...

... Whose policies were the Canadian Forces following when they allegedly turned over prisoners to the Afghan authorities, to be possibly tortured?

Just so we're clear about all culpable parties involved.
 

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Not to dismiss the culpability of the present gov't and all, but...

... Whose policies were the Canadian Forces following when they allegedly turned over prisoners to the Afghan authorities, to be possibly tortured?

Just so we're clear about all culpable parties involved.



So, you're going to pull the "I was only following orders" card?
 

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Really? That's your line? Personally, I would hope that we were above any of that. Personally, I would hope we don't take our cue from the lowest common denominator. Personally, I would hope that we are well above our enemy.

and as far as coming home, I would very much prefer that we had NO offensive capabilities at all.

A good defence is a having a good offense. Simple but true.

The RCMP are the ones training the Afghani police who enforce policy set by NATO.

And the Afghan Govt.
 

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I don't think steve et al are the first and only bunch of slimy mofos to be behind the wheel,but they have the most blatant bully boy attitude about this subject and a long list of others.They stick 100% to the script.
 

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I don't think steve et al are the first and only bunch of slimy mofos to be behind the wheel,but they have the most blatant bully boy attitude about this subject and a long list of others.They stick 100% to the script.

You mean that they are not as ready to toss our troops under the bus as the former Liberals were.

Give me a blatant bully boy any day.
 

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I was only following orders didn't work for the germans in WWII, why should it work for western soldiers now?
 

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Look Gerry, we all get you don't like war, but when you can convince the other guys not play I'll entertain your pathetic comparison.
 

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Look Gerry, we all get you don't like war, but when you can convince the other guys not play I'll entertain your pathetic comparison.



and when you stop having 2 sets of standards for the west and thier "enemy's" I'll back off on the one sided criticisms. Untill then, your pathetic support will continue to garner my contempt.
 

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I don't think steve et al are the first and only bunch of slimy mofos to be behind the wheel,but they have the most blatant bully boy attitude about this subject and a long list of others.They stick 100% to the script.

Yeah and Chretien and Martin, being God fearing Liberals had fuk all to do with anything like a Soldier having to kill or heaven forbid prevent ethnic cleansing as the 2nd Bn. Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry did in the Medak Pocket. Which was so embarrassing for Liberals that it was complexly hidden from the Canadian Public.
Shameful that Canadian Soldiers saved lives, i mean really really shameful.
Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Operation Medak Pocket - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Canadian Denial
In Canada, the event has been referred to as "Canada's secret battle", while in Croatia this event is denied. The Canadian Government sought to downplay and write off the Canadian involvement in the Medak Pocket.[24] The idea of writing off a piece of history is a dangerous notion. The Medak Pocket largely shaped the Canadian Army’s understanding of, “killing for peace.”[25] The Medak Pocket challenged the skill and discipline of the Canadian soldiers. The ability Canadians had to revert from combat soldiers to peacekeepers is a rare and highly respected standard of military practice.[26] By not telling Canadian pubic about the incidences that occurred in Medak creates a problem in two ways. The first is the effects denial has on the soldiers; a country that is ashamed of its' soldiers actions will thus second guess their bravery and the value of their efforts.[27] [28] The second issue of downplaying Canadian role in Medak was the realization and fear of Canada’s policy and abandonment of a “peacekeeping” heritage.[29] [30] Many Canadians are unaware of the role their soldiers have in the world to restore, stabilize and change law and order in countries where it does not exist. Canadians easily can get confused with their role in other countries i.e. Afghanistan, and cannot comprehend how soldiers can be equally “warfighters, conflict negotiators and peacekeepers.” [31]

During the Yugoslav Wars in the early 1990s, soldiers from the PPCLI served in UNPROFOR, the United Nations peacekeeping force in Croatia. The third battalion was the first to deploy to the theater in 1992.[a 9] It was replaced by 875 members of the 2nd Battalion in 1993. The battalion was dispatched to the Medak Pocket in September 1993 to interpose themselves between Serb and Croatian forces. After the Croatians opened fire on the PPCLI troops, they became involved in an intense firefight. In 2002, Colonel Jim Calvin and his men were awarded the Commander-in-Chief's Unit Commendation for their bravery. The first battalion replaced the second in 1994; the second battalion also served with the stabilization force in 1997, 2000 and 2003, the third battalion in 2000, and the first battalion in 2002 and 2003.[a 10] Elements of the PPCLI served with Lord Strathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians) during the 1917-1918 winter, and in 1999, the 1st Battalion sent a complete battlegroup to the Kosovo Force.[a 9][b 2]
http://www.ppcliassoc.ca/history.htm
2 PPCLI was awarded the Commander-in-Chief Unit Commendation for its courageous execution of duty during the Medak Pocket Operation, The Former Yugoslavia during the period September 15-16, 1993. This award was presented to the Battalion by the Governor General at Winnipeg on December 1, 2002. The award is represented by the Vice-Regal Lion that is affixed to the top of the staff carrying the Regimental Colour. The insignia of this award is worn by all of the soldiers who took part in the operation.

and when you stop having 2 sets of standards for the west and thier "enemy's" I'll back off on the one sided criticisms. Untill then, your pathetic support will continue to garner my contempt.

One sided you are not - Myopic would be accurate
 

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One sided you are not - Myopic would be accurate

Well, thank God for that, because I just can't see killing another human being as being an acceptable course of action. ESPECIALLY when you need to travel half way across the world to do it.
 

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So, you're going to pull the "I was only following orders" card?
Nope. You should learn to read Abtfet.

Well, thank God for that, because I just can't see killing another human being as being an acceptable course of action.
And I just can't see funding the RCC, so they can keep hiding diddlers. Or refuse to back an investigation because Americans haven't been crucified. But there you are.
 

gerryh

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Not to dismiss the culpability of the present gov't and all, but...

... Whose policies were the Canadian Forces following when they allegedly turned over prisoners to the Afghan authorities, to be possibly tortured?

Just so we're clear about all culpable parties involved.

I'll say it again, since you didn't understand it the first time. You should learn to read, Abtfet.


Let's look at it again, shall we? By stating that you don't want to dismiss the present gov't's culpability, you ARE saying that the Cons are culpable to a certain extent. Then you ask who's policies the CF was following with the prisoner turn over, insinuating that who evers policy's they were were also culpable. No mention, however, of the responsibility of the CF and/or the individuals in all of this. Therefore I asked if you were pulling the "only following orders" card therefore absolving the CF and it's members from any and all responsibility.


Please feel free to correct any misinformation.