Baird Lambasts Proponents of Palestinian UN Bid

taxslave

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 25, 2008
36,362
4,340
113
Vancouver Island
No idea, but I still haven't received a response.

This is an affront to Jews for some reason.

Also, they have Ban-Ki moon in the U.N. and he hasn't done anything "despotic", so I don't get where the connection between tyrants and UN leaders comes in here?

Sorry but I have a job and a life to tend to. As long as the Palestinians are screaming death to Israel and want to eliminate Israel there is no possibility of a settlement. Which makes anyone that supports the Palestine authority a jew hater and terrorist supporter.
 

petros

The Central Scrutinizer
Nov 21, 2008
118,621
14,563
113
Low Earth Orbit
Why the hell is Nutlessyahood insisting on not ceasing settlement building? It's killing their economy and pissing off the voters and putting them at risk.

You missed my point altogether if you are going zero in on India. My point was that Israel is not the power in the region with Nukes, there fore that option is not even on the table.
They are one helluva deterrent.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

The End of the Dog is Coming!
Mar 19, 2006
12,440
1,396
113
60
Alberta
They are one helluva deterrent.

Deterrent to what?

Car bombs? Coming across the border and snatching soldiers then killing them? Suicide bombers?

The only deterrent that Israels enemies are facing is supporting nations and that is what keeps them from launching a full scale attack.
 

petros

The Central Scrutinizer
Nov 21, 2008
118,621
14,563
113
Low Earth Orbit
Oh come on. Palestinians are going to load up the family Ford Festivas and launch a full scale attack using car bombs?
 

mentalfloss

Prickly Curmudgeon Smiter
Jun 28, 2010
39,817
471
83
Sorry but I have a job and a life to tend to. As long as the Palestinians are screaming death to Israel and want to eliminate Israel there is no possibility of a settlement. Which makes anyone that supports the Palestine authority a jew hater and terrorist supporter.

This is a prejudice because you're broadly painting everyone with the same brush.

There are many proponents who argue that giving them a UN seat might actually incite some peace. And some western nations are now jumping on board (I know France is committed at least).

Who knows?

What's the worst that could happen if they had a seat?
 

petros

The Central Scrutinizer
Nov 21, 2008
118,621
14,563
113
Low Earth Orbit


They come in terrorist size.
 

Machjo

Hall of Fame Member
Oct 19, 2004
17,878
61
48
Ottawa, ON
John Baird bares teeth in offering Canada's defence of Israel at UN

Canada used its United Nations speaking slot Monday to lambaste opponents of Israel as no better than the appeasers who allowed fascism and communism to flourish before the Second World War.

Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird delivered Canada's views to the General Assembly in a speech that put meat on the bones of the Harper government's unflinching support of Israel.

“Just as fascism and communism were the great struggles of previous generations, terrorism is the great struggle of ours. And far too often, the Jewish state is on the front line of our struggle and its people the victims of terror,” says a prepared text of Baird's remarks.

“Canada will not accept or stay silent while the Jewish state is attacked for defending its territory and its citizens. The Second World War taught us all the tragic price of ‘going along' just to 'get along.“’

Baird made no direct mention of the Holocaust in which six million Jews died at the hands of Nazi Germany. But he evoked the era when he quoted Winston Churchill as saying “an appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.”

Baird reiterated Canada's opposition to the recent Palestinian bid to secure UN recognition as a state.

The UN Security Council became seized with the matter on Monday for the first time after Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas delivered his own forceful speech advocating the move.

“We supported the aspirations of those peoples who sought for themselves and their countries brighter futures during the Arab Spring that just passed,” said Baird.

“But we will not go along with the unilateral actions of the Palestinian Authority.”

Baird repeated Canada's call for a negotiated settlement between the Israelis and Palestinians.

The no-holds-barred address also took aim at the UN itself, for allowing despotic regimes to hold memberships on, or occupy the chair of, major committees.

“The greatest enemies of the United Nations are not those who publicly repudiate its actions,” said Baird.

“The greatest enemies of the United Nations are those who quietly undermine its principles and, even worse, by those who sit idly, watching its slow decline.”

Baird backed that argument by citing North Korea's recent rotating presidency of the UN conference on disarmament, which Canada boycotted, along with Iran's vice-presidency of the General Assembly and its seat on the commission on population and development.

Baird's unflinching defence of Israel was another reminder to the Jewish state that it has a friend in Canada.

Last week in New York, Prime Minister Stephen Harper affirmed his support for Israel in a meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

And Immigration Minister Jason Kenney told another UN gathering that Israel is being targeted by a “new anti-Semitism” that is “now disguised as anti-American, anti-Western and anti-Israel, but it ultimately espouses the same old hatred and intent.”

Baird said Canada would not “go along with appeasement of the former (Moammar) Gadhafi regime” in Libya. And it has imposed tough new sanctions on Syria because it cannot “go along” with the Assad regimes killing of its own civilians.

Baird also took aim at the UN for past resolutions that have criticized Israel, votes that Canada has boycotted in the Harper era. “Canada will not go along with a double standard that castigates some UN members for alleged failings while ignoring the notorious abuses of others,” said Baird.

He said the Harper government plans to follow through with its election promise to create an office of religious freedom within the Foreign Affairs Department in Ottawa.

He said Canada will not “go along or look the other way when a minority is denied its human rights or fundamental freedoms.”

As examples of persecuted religious groups, Baird cited Christians in China, Egypt and Iraq, as well as Buddhists and Muslims in Burma.

He added: “Gays and lesbians threatened with criminalization of their sexuality in Uganda. And other minorities subjected to persecution, oppression or violence.”


John Baird bares teeth in offering Canada's defence of Israel at UN - The Globe and Mail

How embarrassing!

And the most humiliating part? A country that discriminates on the basis of religion in its own country will establish an "Office of Religious Freedom". I wonder if this office will be censored from criticizing its own country's constitution while being encouraged to be as loud and vocal as possible about others'. Maybe we could call it the log-in-the-eye office, which sees only the ills of other countries but not our own.

This whole business about an office for religious freedoms, and to announce it on the world stage, makes Canada look like right hypocrits.

Ahhhh.....you have heard of HAMAS, have you not????

They ARE Islamo-fascists, and they control Gaza.

They did well in elections, because FATAH were so corrupt...........and FATAH was very lately a terrorist organization.

Baird speaks truth.

The unfortunate thing is that you can't deny the facts stated above, so you heap derision on the gov't and Baird without presenting an argument.

Shame.

And who was killing British soldiers on British-occupied Palestinian territory?
 

mentalfloss

Prickly Curmudgeon Smiter
Jun 28, 2010
39,817
471
83
And the most humiliating part? A country that discriminates on the basis of religion in its own country will establish an "Office of Religious Freedom".

This is a very good point.

It sends the message that religious tolerance only really applies if you're in our country. On an international stage, religious tolerance does not apply to all religions.
 

darkbeaver

the universe is electric
Jan 26, 2006
41,035
201
63
RR1 Distopia 666 Discordia
It is the truth.

Not "we", but a good part of the world. Over one sixth of which is Muslim, and that population surrounds Israel......and their religious texts of the hadith celebrate Jew extermination.

The tiny, democratic, and rule of law state of Israel is condemned in UN proposed resolutions more than all other states combined.

Explain that to me..........

Your BP must be low again Colpy you're talking rubbish again man wake up and smell the plasma it's 2010 for christ sake. I'm going to need another joint after reading your pathetic begging mewling rot in support of evil.
 

Machjo

Hall of Fame Member
Oct 19, 2004
17,878
61
48
Ottawa, ON
This is a very good point.

It sends the message that religious tolerance only really applies if you're in our country. On an international stage, religious tolerance does not apply to all religions.

Sorry, I meant to type constitution, not country, the second time there. We have discrimination on the basis of religion entrenched in our friggin' constitution. For example, our own Monarch cannot leave the church of England without forfeiting her throne, nor can she marry a Catholic. Marrying anyone from any other religion would be fine of course. And then, again as per the contsitution, Catholics have access to publicly-funded Catholic education in Ontario but adherents of other religions don't. Even the Turkish Constitution is far more secular than Canada's!
 

Machjo

Hall of Fame Member
Oct 19, 2004
17,878
61
48
Ottawa, ON
You must not be a homeowner? Homeowners decide which school board they wish to fund. That is not exactly "public".

It's public in that it's regulated by the government. Let's say I wanted to fund a local Jewish school board, that would not be allowed. I have two options: catholic or secular only.
 

mikemac

Nominee Member
Oct 13, 2008
82
2
8
Canada
Why is it that the Russian newcomers to the region are a recognized country and have a seat on the UN while people that have been living there for centuries don't. This is all backwards. There is a very strong majority with the UN country members as well as with Canadians for Palestine. Baird and the Harper government are not representing Canadians at the UN properly at all.
 

Machjo

Hall of Fame Member
Oct 19, 2004
17,878
61
48
Ottawa, ON
Are you sure about that?

In Ontario, yes! In fact, one Ontario Jewish father even made a formal complaint about it to the UNHCHR on the grounds that he had to pay out of pocket for his chil'd Jewish education but that had he been catholic he would not have had to do that.

it's already been tried. You only need to read the BNA Act to know that.

Why is it that the Russian newcomers to the region are a recognized country and have a seat on the UN while people that have been living there for centuries don't. This is all backwards. There is a very strong majority with the UN country members as well as with Canadians for Palestine. Baird and the Harper government are not representing Canadians at the UN properly at all.

Those palestians eventually adopted Islam over time and so now have less of a right to it taht those whose ancestors left and now are coming back, according to bair'ds philosophy I suppose.
 

CDNBear

Custom Troll
Sep 24, 2006
43,839
207
63
Ontario
Not quite sure I get what you're driving at Bear.

[Sips first coffee]
The post you quoted by MF, was straight up BS. Baird never equated the UN bid by Palestine to Nazism.

This is a prejudice because you're broadly painting everyone with the same brush.
Does that apply to your brush too?

There are many proponents who argue that giving them a UN seat might actually incite some peace. And some western nations are now jumping on board (I know France is committed at least).
It will also force Palestine to form a single accountable gov't.

Which will make any rocket attacks on Israel, either an act of war, or if committed by parties other than the gov't of Palestine, make Palestine a failed State.

In either case, Israel invading and seizing control of the whole of the Palestinian territory, would be completely legal.

How embarrassing!
Although I like it when you guys post disclaimers, I think you were pretty harsh on yourself there.

And who was killing British soldiers on British-occupied Palestinian territory?
Everybody.

It sends the message that religious tolerance only really applies if you're in our country. On an international stage, religious tolerance does not apply to all religions.
How so?

You must not be a homeowner? Homeowners decide which school board they wish to fund. That is not exactly "public".
You aren't one of those people under the delusion that there are enough taxes collected that way to adequately fund Catholic Schools are you?

Even Gh doesn't claim that anymore since I proved to him that that is BS.
 
Last edited: