The islamic lie
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What do you mean when you say "Boy"
I have a lawyer on retainer who may be able to help you with a disclaimer of your own. :smile:
I hate it when the brush goes too wide in pointing out the errors/falsehoods/immoral actions of extremists and gather in those who don't deserve it.
There is nothing you can say to make me think genital mutilation of young women is in any way right or good... but not all muslims abide by the belief that it is.
There is nothing you can say to convince me there is anything justified in suicide bombers who attack civillians... and again very few muslims believe that.
I know there is rampant chauvinism in most Middle Eastern cultures but it exists (albeit to a lesser degree now) in North American and European cultures as well. We have old laws on the books in the US and Canada today, that talk about the legal maximum diameter a stick can be to beat a wife. Even in aboriginal quarters: the late Walter Twin, PC senator and chief of the Sawridge Cree band was one of the leading voices fighting equality of aboriginal women in the 70s and 80s, on the issue of mixed marriages and who could retain status (children of a male band member and a white women were in, children of a female band member and white male were out... and it went to the Supreme Court). That doesn't mean every member of the culture is a chauvinist, any more then they are a racist, just because there are some who follow beliefs.
The bottom line is that our cultures are clashing for a variety of reasons, and while there are some who see it as a black and white thing, it is very much in shades of grey, just some are darker than the others and neither side is pristine.
There is nothing you can say to make me think genital mutilation of young women is in any way right or good... but not all muslims abide by the belief that it is.
There is nothing you can say to convince me there is anything justified in suicide bombers who attack civillians... and again very few muslims believe that.
I know there is rampant chauvinism in most Middle Eastern cultures but it exists (albeit to a lesser degree now) in North American and European cultures as well. We have old laws on the books in the US and Canada today, that talk about the legal maximum diameter a stick can be to beat a wife. Even in aboriginal quarters: the late Walter Twin, PC senator and chief of the Sawridge Cree band was one of the leading voices fighting equality of aboriginal women in the 70s and 80s, on the issue of mixed marriages and who could retain status (children of a male band member and a white women were in, children of a female band member and white male were out... and it went to the Supreme Court). That doesn't mean every member of the culture is a chauvinist, any more then they are a racist, just because there are some who follow beliefs.
The bottom line is that our cultures are clashing for a variety of reasons, and while there are some who see it as a black and white thing, it is very much in shades of grey, just some are darker than the others and neither side is pristine.
But Christians, atheists, and agnostics aren't following an example, a template, a doctrine that says you should kill others to further the dominance of the ideology. No book on this earth has caused more bloodshed and tears than the Quran.
And, strangely enough, not every muslim is running around killing people.
I know you find that hard to believe.
Yet, everywhere on this earth where Muslims come in contact with non-Muslims, there's violence perpetrated by the followers of Islam. And the ones who aren't violent, what do they believe? What do they endorse? Some muslims will never kill anyone, but they will tell you "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter". That's dangerous thinking.
Muslim support for terrorist attacks against civilians:
Jordan: 88% sometimes or rarely, 11% never
Lebanon: 58% sometimes or rarely, 33% never
Pakistan: 44% sometimes or rarely, 35% never (source)
"one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"
People used to say thing same thing about the IRA, Black Panthers, Greenpeace etc etc
"Dangerous thinking"
Serious, are you the thought police? lol
Who said all?
- IRA, Terrorist organization
- Black Panthers Terrorist Organization
- Greenpeace Wimpy Terrorist Organization
According to who? It is all relative to your position, isn't it? To their members they are/were freedom fighters.
Are you trying to say that everywhere on this earth where Muslims come in contact with non-Muslims, the violence is/was started by Muslims, unprovoked?
In case you were not aware, by the way, there are Muslims living here in New Brunswick, and we don't see 'violence perpetrated by the followers of Islam'.
You keep espousing an oddly one-sided view of the world. Me, I allow that in any conflict, both sides are to blame.
Of course not. People can think whatever they want but at the same time I have the right to criticize such thinking, just like you would criticize someone for believing in a God, or thinking abortion is wrong etc. A person can accept or reject the criticism and continue to think whatever they want. No thought police here.
So, even if non-Muslims provoked, the Muslims are incapable of controlling themselves? They can't write a letter as opposed to cutting someone's head off? You're implying that Muslims are uncontrollable animals.
Also, Muslims consider criticizing Islam, Mohammad, or Sharia law as provoking. They consider a Jew breathing air as provoking. And if you still think non-Muslims are partial to the blame, tell that to the Christians in Lebanon, the Buddhists in Thailand, the Hindus in India, the people of Israel, the people of Iraq, or the Fogel family.
Are they incapable of becoming violent? Anything can happen when the book you follow advocates "killing unbelievers". I live in one of the largest Muslim areas in Canada, they're not going around killing in the name of Allah, but I'm not naive enough to think that's its an impossibility.
Are both sides to blame for World War 2?
Also, doesn't everyone have a one-sided view of the world? A person may have a moment of objectivity when they can see an issue from different perspectives, but eventually everyone has to pick a side. Eventually you're going to say "muslims are to blame" or "Christians are to blame" or "both sides are to blame".
Capable of violence? Probably. But that's not what you said.
You do seem to have an inability to read and understand what you write. But I'm not surprised; I suppose if some guy stood up at a pulpit and told you what to think all your life, you lose the ability to think on your own. Maybe you need more of that water sprinkled on your head. Or less of it.
What I said was Muslims are causing violence all over the world. YOU brought up the non-violent Muslims, and I'm stating that since their book advocated violence, then their capable of being radicalized.
And I never had the water sprinkled on my head. I went right under!
Generally, when you plant bombs in public places it is a good indication that you are a terrorist.
Both the Black Panthers and the IRA have done so, along with numerous other terrorist organizations including right wing militia's
and Jewish groups.like The Jewish Defense League.
The crack about Greenpeace was just a crack.
How terrorism overall relates to this op isn't really relevant? Except to say that Islam has a long way to go to get rid of knuckle draggers that are openly preaching pedophilia, oppression, abuse of women and human rights.
I know I know, some horrible Catholic Priests diddled kids too. But last I checked they aren't on TV giving pointers.
No it isn't. You said...
You have not supplied proof that this is the case.
Right, and to get it a contract was made.
So you keep saying.
Disclaimers for your posts aren't necessary.
I agree, which is why you haven't been able to convince us with your lies.
Ron Paul distances Muslim from Suicide Terrorism - YouTube
Ron Paul is right about irrational hatred of Islam
Ron Paul is right about irrational hatred of Islam
Ron Paul is an ideologue......The last thing they need in the White House is another one of those:roll: