Amanda Knox: Guilty or victim of conspiracy?

[Ariadne]

I don't really have time to gather up links for everything, because it would take a lot of time. Just to touch on a few points:

"Also disputed is the discovery of Sollecito's DNA on Kercher's torn bra clasp, found in [Meredith's] room 49 days after her death, during which time it had been moved accidentally by investigators."

Amanda Knox case: DNA evidence to be reviewed following appeal | World news | The Observer

Fast Track Trial: Italy

"Fast-track trial
The giudizio abbreviato (fast-track trial, literally abbreviated proceeding)[24] consists, basically, of a proceeding where the trial phase is absent.
It is the Judge of the Preliminary Hearing who, according to the evidence gathered, during the preliminary investigations by the prosecutor and by the lawyer during the defensive investigations, if there were any, convicts or acquits the defendant.
Since this is a reduction of the defendant's rights (he basically gives up his right to presenting new evidence and to be tried by a Judge of the Trial), it must be he who asks that the Judge of the Preliminary Hearing hand down a judgement over him.
The defendant is rewarded with a reduction on the sentence. The law states that this reduction is one third. If the crime was punishable by life imprisonment, the defendant will be sentenced to thirty years.
Both the defendant and the prosecutor can appeal the judgement before the Court of Appeals."

Italian Code of Criminal Procedure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"For the past two months, Guede, from Ivory Coast, has been involved in a fast-track trial at his own request on charges of murder and attempted sexual assault. He has the right to appeal the sentence"

Rudy Guede sentenced to 30 years for murder of Meredith Kercher | World news | guardian.co.uk

Low Number Count DNA is accepted in England, Italy, the UK, the Netherlands, and even in the US. In fact, a LNC DNA expert from the Netherlands testified during the Anthony trial. DNA on the blade of the knife was analysed using LNC DNA analysis and the DNA was a match to Meredith Kercher.

 

[Andem]

>> If the crime was punishable by life imprisonment, the defendant will be sentenced to thirty years.

Correct! His original sentence was 30 years with regards to the fast tracked trial, but it was reduced to 16 because he apologised to the Kercher family.

 

[Ariadne]

>> If the crime was punishable by life imprisonment, the defendant will be sentenced to thirty years.

Correct! His original sentence was 30 years with regards to the fast tracked trial, but it was reduced to 16 because he apologised to the Kercher family.

On appeal it was reduced to match the sentences of Knox and Sollecito (24 years), and then further reduced by 1/3 for the fast track option.

30 to 24 to 16. There is no sentence reduction for an apology.

 

[Andem]

On appeal it was reduced to match the sentences of Knox and Sollecito (24 years), and then further reduced by 1/3 for the fast track option.

30 to 24 to 16. There is no sentence reduction for an apology.

Uh I've tried to prove that statement as true, but it's simply not possible. There is no such thing as "matching" a sentence in Italian or any other European-based law. Enough time has simply not passed for two (2) appeals to have taken place; it is impossible to have ones sentence reduced two times in one hearing.

There is no such thing as reducing a sentence from 30 to 24 to 16 in a matter of a couple of years. Not only is it ridiculous, but its unheard of. As I quoted above, a life sentence in a fast track trial in Italy is 30 years, of which he was sentenced. He apologised to the family and on appeal, his sentence was reduced due to 16 years.

BTW, neither Amanda nor her boyfriend were sentenced to 24 years. You said it yourself. And 24 / 3 = 8. 30 / 3 = 10; 30 * .66 = 19.8, 24 * .66 = 15.84. You must have meant that 24 years meant 16 because of his fast-track. Have a link for 24?

 

[Ariadne]

Rudy Guede had his fast track trial. He had his first appeal, and then his second appeal with the Supreme Court. In his trial, he was sentenced to 30 years. During his following two appeals, his sentence was first reduced to 24 years to match the sentences of the other two murderers and then the 1/3 reduction, mandatory by law for those opting for the "fast track" trial, was applied. The sentence handed down by the Supreme Court is 16 years.

"Guede, 22, was sentenced in a fast-track trial in October 2008 – more than a year before the US student Amanda Knox and Italian Raffaele Sollecito were found guilty of murder and sentenced this month to 26 and 25 years respectively. The trio were accused of sexually assaulting and fatally stabbing Kercher in her bedroom in Perugia in November 2007. Guede's lawyer, Walter Biscotti, said his client's sentence had been cut after his youth and lack of criminal record were taken into account.

The appeal court had reduced Guede's sentence to 24 years and cut one-third off as is custom when defendants opt for a fast-track trial, said Francesco Maresca, a lawyer representing Kercher's family, who argued for the original sentence to be left unchanged.

"Twenty-four years would be in line with the sentences given to Knox and Sollecito," he said. "They each got an extra year for simulating a burglary at the scene and Knox got a further year for falsely blaming a local barman for the murder."

Court cuts Rudy Guede's sentence for Meredith Kercher murder | World news | guardian.co.uk

 

[Andem]

I saw that article from Guardian. I suspect its a mistake they've printed as other outlets like The Times, BBC, Daily Mail and others don't report that and neither do many other web sites covering the case. The 30 years already was a reduced sentence: "The defendant is rewarded with a reduction on the sentence. The law states that this reduction is one third. If the crime was punishable by life imprisonment, the defendant will be sentenced to thirty years." from Wikipedia.

You don't just get a special discount after you've been sentenced. That IS the sentence. The Guardian is wrong, which isn't unheard of. His sentence was only reduced once, from 30 to 16 years... Not long enough if you ask me.

 

[Ariadne]

The Guardian did not make a mistake. The 30 year sentence is not a reduced sentence, but rather the maximum allowable sentence permitted for someone that opts for the fast track trial. Guede, an Italian citizen with no criminal record, opted for a Fast Track trial. He was given the maximum sentence of 30 years. When Knox and Sollecito, convicted of the same crime, were given a sentence of 24 years, Guede's sentence was reduced to 24 years on appeal. After all appeals were exhausted, his sentence was automatically reduced by 1/3, which is required by law for all convicts that elected the Fast Track trial option.

Regarding Fast Track Trial options in Italy:

"The defendant is rewarded with a reduction on the sentence. The law states that this reduction is one third. If the crime was punishable by life imprisonment, the defendant will be sentenced to thirty years.

Italian Code of Criminal Procedure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's interesting to note that the prosecutor has appealed to lengthen the 24 year sentences that Knox and Sollecito received for the murder.

 

[coldstream]

To say Malden Massachusetts is an evangelical community or an incubator for fundementalist is laughable.

The only thing you are right about this is that in almost all cases it was hysteria and there was injustice. Fells Acre had no Satanic accusations nor did any save two that I have read up on.

The sole Canadian example at least one man went to trial and was found guilty. That DID include accusations of the cult and satanism.

Witch Hunts began long before the Salem Village witch hunts/witch hysteria (today Salem Village is now called Danvers, Massachusetts). The city of Salem gets all the tourist and Danvers has the village and church foundations of where the hysteria began regarding that specific and unjust witch hunt.

I would think Witch Hunts and hysteria began across the pond long before the Europeans came to the "New World". Wouldn't you agree?

The Martensville conviction, of the son of the operators of a Daycare, was overturned. The RCMP took over the investigation and concluded it was withoug merit, and a result of 'emotional hysteria'. All of the accused won a lawsuit for malicious prosecution and were awarded a total of $1.5 million.

My point was not that Malden or any other place was fundamentalist, but that these primitive Evangelical pockets exist in most if not all communities in the U.S and beyond now. And that there was a direct correspondence with this, paired with aggressive and ambitious proscutors, who tapped into this type of hysteria, especially in jury selection.

And yes, there are no borders with respect to prejudice, hysteria and mob rule.

Quite the opposite. Guede was brought in to testify and in fact placed both Sollecito and Knox at the scene of the crime. There's nothing in it for Guede ... his case is over, his sentence is determined and nothing he says or doesn't say will make any difference. He was required to testify.


" Rudy Guede - who was separately convicted of killing Ms Kercher in November 2007 - said the American and her then boyfriend were guilty.
In a letter read out to the court as he sat in the witness box, he said: "This splendid, marvellous girl was killed by Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox."

Meredith Kercher Murder: Amanda Knox Is Guilty Says Rudy Guede During Appeal In Perugia | World News | Sky News

And yet i gleaned this from the same source that you posted.. At an earlier hearing this month child killer Mario Alessi told the court Guede had told him in prison that "Knox and Sollecito had nothing to do with the murder".

What motive would Alessi have to lie. Most deals with 'jailhouse snitches' are in favour of prosecution rather than against. What deal was Guede given. I'm not sure you can trust anything Guede sais, either way.. which throws the case back to the threadbare 'evidence' of supposed DNA, and a disoriented interrogation.

 

[EagleSmack]

The Martensville conviction, of the son of the operators of a Daycare, was overturned. The RCMP took over the investigation and concluded it was withoug merit, and a result of 'emotional hysteria'. All of the accused won a lawsuit for malicious prosecution and were awarded a total of $1.5 million.

Oh... I thought you said it didn't even go to trial. Oh what the heck... that's what you said. It did go to trial and he was found guilty at that time. Whether he was released or not it did not say.

My point was not that Malden or any other place was fundamentalist, but that these primitive Evangelical pockets exist in most if not all communities in the U.S and beyond now. And that there was a direct correspondence with this, paired with aggressive and abitious proscutors, who tapped into this type of hysteria, especially in jury selection.

You were pretty clear that it was the Bible Belt and you still seem to insinuate that these unjust accusations were spawned by religion, Christians to be exact. That is so far from the truth. Hysteria yes, religion no.

And yes, there are no borders with respect to prejudice, hysteria and mob rule.
.

You can say that again. You innacurately blaming a religion for the Day Care Sexual Abuse Cases of the 80s and 90s is a prime example of prejudice and hysteria.

 

[Ariadne]

And yet i gleaned this from the same source that you posted.. At an earlier hearing this month child killer Mario Alessi told the court Guede had told him in prison that "Knox and Sollecito had nothing to do with the murder".

What motive would Alessi have to lie. Most deals with 'jailhouse snitches' are in favour of prosecution rather than against. What deal was Guede given. I'm not sure you can trust anything Guede sais, either way.. which throws the case back to the threadbare 'evidence' of supposed DNA, and a disoriented interrogation.

True, nothing Guede says can be trusted. He, Knox and Sollecito are convicted murderers. There are no deals in Italian justice. It's not an option to have a sentence reduced or modified for testifying against a co-conspirator. If you follow up on Alessi, I think he's the guy that later claimed that Sollecito's defence team promised money so he could have a sex change ... he later claimed that Guede never said anything about Knox and Sollecito.

There is no "disoriented interrogation" unless it is normal for someone to accuse an innocent man of murder after two hours of questioning as a witness.

The evidence collection times, methods and anlaysis that resulted in the conviction of Guede is identical to the evidence used to convict Knox and Sollecito. If the DNA used to convict Guede was good, then the DNA used to convict the other two should also be good.

Alessi and Aviello offered Money to Lie

"Guede was called to testify after a fellow inmate at Viterbo prison, child murderer Mario Alessi, claimed Guede told him Knox and Sollecito were innocent. On Monday Guede denied the claim, calling it "the blasphemy of a sick mind".

The hearing then took a surreal turn as two prosecution witnesses accused a defence lawyer of offering to pay a witness for a sex change in return for favourable testimony.

Luciano Aviello, an inmate from Naples, has previously told the court that Kercher was killed not by Guede, Knox or Sollecito, but by his own brother during a burglary gone wrong. On Monday a fellow inmate of Aviello's called by the prosecution said Aviello had told him he had been offered €70,000 (£62,000) by Giulia Bongiorno, an Italian MP and a lawyer defending Sollecito, to invent the story.

Cosimo Zaccari, who is in jail for fraud, libel, criminal conspiracy and receiving stolen goods, said Aviello had confided in him that "I was contacted to create confusion in the trial".

Zaccari was followed onto the stand by Alexander Ilicet, a Montenegrin who shared a cell with Aviello and claimed the Neapolitan had boasted of being offered €158,000 by Bongiorno, which he planned to use for a sex change."

Amanda Knox appeal hears witness was offered sex change cash for evidence | World news | The Guardian

"Another witness said that Alessi and Aviello had been offered money to lie.
Alexander Ilicet said Aviello had been offered €158,000 (£141,000) to mislead the trial, adding that the mobster "needed the money for a sex change".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ho-named-her-as-Meredith-Kerchers-killer.html

 

[spaminator]

i'm sorry to hear about your son being attacked. i hope he is doing well.

was the dvd any good?

 

[spaminator]

News Weird
'Foxy Knoxy' hopes to be home for U.S. Thanksgiving: Report 27


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First posted: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:12 PM EDT | Updated: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:24 PM EDT

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ROME - U.S. student Amanda Knox, who is appealing her conviction for the 2007 murder of her British housemate in Italy, is hopeful she could be free in time for the U.S. Thanksgiving holiday on Nov. 24, an Italian daily reported.
Knox, 24, told the Il Messaggero daily through her lawyer that she felt the court was finally listening to her version of events, and she said she always believed the truth would emerge.
The American and her former Italian boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito have been sentenced to 26 and 25 years in jail respectively for the murder of Meredith Kercher, who was found half-naked with her throat slit in a flat she shared with Knox in the university city of Perugia.
But in July, court-appointed forensic experts said that DNA evidence used in the original trial was unreliable and numerous errors had been made. Earlier this week, prosecution calls for a second review of the evidence was rejected.
“I always believed the truth would emerge, I always believed I would be able to get out of that prison where my life has frozen,” Knox told the paper.
“Get out and return straight away to Seattle, maybe in November for Thanksgiving,” she said.
Kercher was found half naked in November 2007 lying in a pool of blood with her throat cut.
Knox, Sollecito and Ivoirian Rudy Guede were convicted and jailed in 2009 for the murder after what judges concluded was a frenzied sex game that spiralled out of control.
The next hearing in the appeal is scheduled for Sept. 23, when closing arguments begin ahead of a final verdict.
Knox said she felt the mood in the appeal court was different from what she described as a hostile atmosphere in the original trial.
“It’s nice to feel that they don’t hate me anymore, that finally someone is listening to me,” she said.
“During the first trial, I was scared to enter the dock, I felt everyone was hostile, I felt that when I spoke and cried, when I tried to explain that I wasn’t in the house that night, everybody was shrugging and mocking me.”
The independent forensic report in July confirmed original police conclusions that Knox’s DNA was found on the handle of a knife they identified as the murder weapon but said that the material found on the blade was starch, rather than blood.
Experts found that proper decontamination procedures had not been followed in the initial investigation, there was insufficient documentation of the amount of DNA evidence and inadequate “real time” analysis.
One of the prosecutors opposing Knox’s bid to overturn her conviction was quoted in Italian media this week saying that there was an “ill wind blowing in this case.”
(Writing by Catherine Hornby; editing by Philippa Fletcher)

'Foxy Knoxy' hopes to be home for U.S. Thanksgiving: Report | Weird | News | Toronto Sun

 

[spaminator]

Foxy Knoxy offered $20Gs to do porn
QMI Agency
First posted: Monday, February 10, 2014 11:18 AM EST | Updated: Monday, February 10, 2014 03:14 PM EST
An American adult entertainment company is hoping Amanda Knox will need to make some money for legal fees and will agree to star in a porno.
Monarchy Distribution has offered Knox – who in January was found guilty a second time in Italy of killing her British roommate Meredith Kercher in 2007 - $20,000 to take part in a movie, the company’s owner Mike Kulich said on his Twitter account.
In an e-mail to Knox, which Kulich also sent to the website DailyDot.com, he said fans of the company have been asking for Knox to star in a movie because “the general consensus is you are absolutely smoking hot.”
He tells Knox she would have the final say when it comes to which sex acts she’d perform, what actors she’d work with, and “all terms of productions (sic).”
“This is a great opportunity for you to make some money to put towards finishing your education and also future legal costs to help with this unfortunate retrial,” he wrote.
Knox, who is living in America, has denied playing any part in Kercher’s death.
Foxy Knoxy offered $20Gs to do porn | World | News | Toronto Sun

 

[Blackleaf]

I certainly wouldn't spend the night alone with "Foxy Knoxy". I'd be scared I wouldn't wake up again in the morning.

 

[spaminator]

'I think people love monsters'; Amanda Knox doc pulls back curtain on Italy murder trial media circus
Jake Coyle, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
First posted: Thursday, September 29, 2016 12:00 PM EDT | Updated: Thursday, September 29, 2016 02:18 PM EDT
NEW YORK — Amanda Knox stares into the camera, coolly contemplating how she became a figure of global fascination.
“I think people love monsters. And so when they get the chance, they want to see them. It’s people projecting their fears,” Knox says. “They want the reassurance that they know who the bad people are, and it’s not them. So maybe that’s what it is: We’re all afraid, and fear makes people crazy.”
Such is the provocative opening of “Amanda Knox,” a documentary premiering Friday on Netflix that gives the participants of one of the most sensational trials of the century a chance to tell their story, straightforwardly, directly to the camera. For a case that often seemed like a horror movie played out in the nightly news, “Amanda Knox” allows the drama’s main characters to step out from their media-crafted roles.
“We thought that a new way of adding a fresh perspective to the story was to look at it from the inside out and to get to the people at the centre of the story and have them tell us what it was like to be embroiled in this whole story,” says Rod Blackhurst, who directed the film with Brian McGinn.
The British student Meredith Kercher was murdered Nov. 1, 2007, in Perugia, Italy. Knox, Kercher’s roommate and an American student studying abroad, and her Italian boyfriend, Raffaele Sollecito, were arrested and convicted of the murder. Knox was sentenced to 26 years in prison, Sollecito to 25.
Three years after Rudy Guede was convicted for the murder and sexual assault of Kercher, the convictions of Knox and Sollecito were overturned in 2011, allowing Knox to return home to Seattle after spending four years in jail. But she and Sollecito were tried again in 2014, again found guilty, only to finally be exonerated by the Italian Supreme Court in 2015.
The case captivated the world with its grisly details (prosecutors claimed Kercher was killed in a bloody sex game), its attractive alleged murderer (dubbed “Foxy Noxy” by the tabloids) and its culture clash, which pitted a young American abroad against a quaint old Italian city.
“Amanda Knox,” five years in the making, centres on interviews with Knox, Sollecito, the Italian prosecutor Giuliano Mignini and Nick Pisa, a freelance journalist for the Daily Mail.
The film soberly follows the case chronologically, eventually leading to the forensic evidence that helped lead to Knox’s and Sollecito’s exoneration. But in the years in between, prosecutors and tabloid press (with Pisa playing a significant role) formed radically different images of the pair.
“The power of narrative to embed these incredibly strong opinions no matter what side you’re on is something we’re seeing in every aspect of our daily lives now,” says McGinn, pointing to the U.S. presidential election. “It’s important to remember that all of these stories are much more tangled and complicated than we like to think of them.”
The filmmakers, both in their 30s, first approached Knox in 2011 through a mutual friend shortly after her return to Seattle. It wasn’t until two years later that Knox agreed to participate. Their appeal was based on giving Knox, Sollecito and Mignini a more unfiltered avenue in which to tell their stories, without sensational or headline-motivated interest. The film was viewed for each before it premiered earlier this month at the Toronto International Film Festival.
The filmmakers have watched as their documentary has ironically returned Knox to the media’s spotlight. The Daily Mail, for example, published photographs — the kind usually reserved for jet-setting movie stars — of Knox and her current boyfriend, writer Christopher Robinson, with whom she lives in Seattle, arriving in Toronto. (Knox attended the premiere but didn’t speak at it.)
“They all would like to move on from this,” says Blackhurst. “Not only has it defined their lives for the better part of a decade, but it seems like they’ll forever be trapped in this narrative that might have latched on to them for the rest of their lives.”
Knox, in the film, considers the implications of her being turned into “a monster,” and the implications it has for others.
“If I’m guilty, it means I am the ultimate figure to fear. On the other hand, if I’m innocent, it means everyone’s vulnerable. And it’s everyone’s nightmare,” Knox says. “Either I’m a psychopath in sheep’s clothing or I am you,”
This image released by Netflix shows Amanda Knox in a scene from her self-titled documentary, premiering Friday, Sept. 30 on Netflix.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r8LG_lCbac
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NueLjUNB-GM
'I think people love monsters'; Amanda Knox doc pulls back curtain on Italy murd

 

[spaminator]

Only person convicted in Meredith Kercher murder seeks acquittal | World | News

 

[personal touch]

Ridiculous !
But I admit conspiracy theories is big business

Amanda is not guilty

 

[spaminator]

Court rejects bid for new trial in Meredith Kercher murder | World | News | Toro

 

[spaminator]

Amanda Knox reveals jailhouse lesbian hijinks | World | News | Toronto Sun

 

[spaminator]

'Michelle Carter deserves sympathy': Amanda Knox weighs in on suicide text case
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
First posted: Friday, August 04, 2017 12:58 PM EDT | Updated: Friday, August 04, 2017 02:01 PM EDT
LOS ANGELES — Amanda Knox is offering her support to a Massachusetts woman convicted of manslaughter for encouraging her suicidal boyfriend to kill himself.
In an op-ed piece published Friday in the Los Angeles Times, Knox wrote that Michelle Carter deserves sympathy and help, not a jail sentence.
Carter on Thursday was sentenced to 15 months in jail for the 2014 death of 18-year-old Conrad Roy III. Carter was then 17 and is now 20.
The 30-year-old Knox is no stranger to sensational trials drawing global media coverage.
The American exchange student from Seattle was convicted along with her Italian boyfriend in the 2007 killing of Knox’s roommate, British student Meredith Kercher, in Perugia, Italy. Knox spent four years in jail but was exonerated by the Italian Supreme Court in 2015.
Amanda Knox: Michelle Carter deserves sympathy and help, not prison - LA Times
Girlfriend in texting suicide case sentenced to 15 months in jail | World | News
'Michelle Carter deserves sympathy': Amanda Knox weighs in on suicide text case