2011 Canadian Football League

[Kreskin]

It's really just an advantage for the defending team to continue. If he fumbled the ball they would've declined the penalty.

What bugs me (not just for this game, I've been saying it for over 30 years), the refs in the CFL take delight in calling penalties. They just love to be part of the game. When they look at the camera and give the call they just glow with satisfaction. What they need to do is keep the damn flags in their pockets more often. Hell they throw them just to say there isn't a penalty (like they did around the time of the holding call). They call no-yards all the time, even when you need a surveyor to calculate if it's actually within five yards (and the defending team is trying to get out of there). If it's a case of players not being able to play within the rules, change the rules to ones that players can play within.

 

[talloola]

It's really just an advantage for the defending team to continue. If he fumbled the ball they would've declined the penalty.

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Oh yeah, I get that, so then, the play really isn't dead, just waiting for 'other' possibilities to happen,
before the ball carrier either gets stopped, or runs in for a touchdown, then the
whistle.

 

[damngrumpy]

The Riders have their problems with a new coach and some less than great play.
BC Lions are holding on to a coach that should have gone last year. To make
matters worse they let the wrong Quarterback go and he is in Winnipeg destroying
everything in his path.
Riders will struggle through and wait a year to see how the coach does in his first
job as head man. The Lions will continue to support Wally even though they know
he can't get the Lions moving and likely never will. BC is a good team but its leadership
and management is a giant question mark.

 

[talloola]

The Riders have their problems with a new coach and some less than great play.
BC Lions are holding on to a coach that should have gone last year. To make
matters worse they let the wrong Quarterback go and he is in Winnipeg destroying
everything in his path.
Riders will struggle through and wait a year to see how the coach does in his first
job as head man. The Lions will continue to support Wally even though they know
he can't get the Lions moving and likely never will. BC is a good team but its leadership
and management is a giant question mark.

they did not let the wrong quarterback go. They let 2 quarter backs go, and they needed to go.
one because he constantly was injured, wouldn't learn to protect himself, looks like he is finally
'getting it', took too long, and printers was a fake quarterback, said all of the things that made
him look good, but when push came to shove the 'real' printers emerged, and he again had a childish tantrum,
and had to go, good riddance to both of them.

b.c. isn't a very good team right now, lots of player changes, which doesn't allow the team to gel,
get chemistry and know what each other are doing all the time. If wally wants to go at the end of the
season, thats fine, but right now isn't the time, and I don't agree with 'any' of the things you say
about him above, or in any of your previous posts, that is your opinion, you are entitled to that, but
doesn't mean it is 'fact', it isn't.

 

[Mowich]

It's really just an advantage for the defending team to continue. If he fumbled the ball they would've declined the penalty.

What bugs me (not just for this game, I've been saying it for over 30 years), the refs in the CFL take delight in calling penalties. They just love to be part of the game. When they look at the camera and give the call they just glow with satisfaction. What they need to do is keep the damn flags in their pockets more often. Hell they throw them just to say there isn't a penalty (like they did around the time of the holding call). They call no-yards all the time, even when you need a surveyor to calculate if it's actually within five yards (and the defending team is trying to get out of there). If it's a case of players not being able to play within the rules, change the rules to ones that players can play within.

I couldn't agree more, Kreskin.........especially on those no yards calls - sometimes its 5 yards, sometimes its 15 and the latter is much more costly to the offense. They are also too quick to call interference penalties - there was at least one call against BC that should not have been interference when down-field there actually was a real interference penalty that they missed. Calls like that can change the complexity of the game and give one team an unfair advantage. Also it seems as if the refs have their eyes on repeat offenders and are always ready to call him whether he is guilty or not.

The Riders have their problems with a new coach and some less than great play.
BC Lions are holding on to a coach that should have gone last year. To make
matters worse they let the wrong Quarterback go and he is in Winnipeg destroying
everything in his path.
Riders will struggle through and wait a year to see how the coach does in his first
job as head man. The Lions will continue to support Wally even though they know
he can't get the Lions moving and likely never will. BC is a good team but its leadership
and management is a giant question mark.

I felt that the Riders played a pretty good game against Calgary all and all. They were able to gain more second downs then they have in the recent past and they were able to connect on more passes. Sure Darian threw two interceptions - the one that went for a TD could have been stopped had the defense been on the ball - no pun intended, but he also threw for more yards and connected on more than in the last game. The defense is up and down - one game they are completing assignments then the next they are all over the field and missing tackles.

As I have said before, if it takes them this year to get a rhythm going and for Greg Marshall to meld with the team, so be it. Rome wasn't built overnight and neither are great football teams. I'll be happy if the team keeps slowly improving and look forward to next year.

 

[talloola]

The lions are in a very tough place right now. Listened to team 1040 this morning, the moge chatting
with julio caravatta, who has a great hockey mind, also an ex player.

He said the lions have many very good players, but with every loss a bit more confidence goes, and he
noticed in this last game something he hasn't seen before, the lions 'gave up' a bit , looked beaten down. That is a sad thing.

There isn't anywhere for them to go but 'ahead', straight ahead and play the next game. There are no
coaches or co ordinators waiting for the phone to ring, and even if there were, why aren't they coaching.
They have to grind it out now, no point in changing coaching personnel, they all have to look in the
mirror, and then get busy and try to win the next one.

This brings out the tough, it shows where the character is on this team, no point in packing it in,
that doesn't accomplish anything.

Very easy for me to say, all I have to do right now is take my cats out to play, scratch around in the
garden, pick some beans and salad, then make a bit of supper, pretty soft life.


GO LIONS GO

 

[Kreskin]

I think it was Suter (or Gulio) who said a while back the Lions always have a good special teams game because Wally was in part a special teams player and coach. He values that part of the game while other coaches might look at special teams as simply a sack of throw ins. Unfortunately Wally has treated the running game like it's a throw in position where any castaway will do. Charles Roberts.. was great but washed up here. Jamal Robertson the same. I think he'd play Ginger and Mary Ann if the price was right. Right now there isn't a true backfield and it wouldn't surprise me if Gilligan gets a shot.

 

[talloola]

I think it was Suter (or Gulio) who said a while back the Lions always have a good special teams game because Wally was in part a special teams player and coach. He values that part of the game while other coaches might look at special teams as simply a sack of throw ins. Unfortunately Wally has treated the running game like it's a throw in position where any castaway will do. Charles Roberts.. was great but washed up here. Jamal Robertson the same. I think he'd play Ginger and Mary Ann if the price was right. Right now there isn't a true backfield and it wouldn't surprise me if Gilligan gets a shot.

I just hope they keep a strong room throughout all of this, they need that, and even though they are losing,
the room is something they have control over, and can keep strength and harmony there.
I think they play edmonton next, doesn't look too promising, but 'they' have had a couple of losses, and
looked bad against montreal.

One of the media guys, (forget who) said he was in the lions dressing room afer last game, and didn't see
anyone 'upset', and he criticized them for looking too calm after such a loss, well, why should they show
him how they are feeling, as it doesn't matter how they react, he will come away and report something negative
anyway, either way.
Whatever they have to say to each other, by venting or discussing, isn't his business, and good for them
for not letting him inside their minds.

Hope they play better next game.

 

[Mowich]

I didn't know whether to laugh, cry or pull my hair out as I watched the Riders play the Argos last night. For most of three-quarters, the Riders did everything they could to help the Argos while doing nothing to advance their own cause. It was beyond ridiculous.

It was a comedy of errors interrupted by flashes of brilliance which were quickly followed by total inanity. Ball control, turnovers, missed tackles and stupid, thoughtless, brain dead penalties were the order of the first 40 minutes or so. Both Effrem Hill and Chris Getzlaf caught fabulous passes for great yardage only to have them called back by Rider penalties.

The Argos played a good game. They put points on the board but then they really didn't have much opposition, if any from the Rider defense for most of the game. However, the holes in their defense were finally exposed when the Riders mounted a comeback late in the third quarter. Until then, the Riders had managed only 4 measly points as Chris Melo(sp?) filling in for injured kicker Eddie Johnson, after having failed on his first two attempts at F.Gs. and garnering only a single point in the process, finally connected on a 27 yarder to give the Riders 4 points. At 11;26 in the 4th, the Argos led the Riders 24 to 4.

With 7:26 left in the game, Chris Getzlaf connected with Darian for a 70 yard pop and go TD and the Riders finally had their first seven points of the game. Maybe this sparked the defense as they were able to stymie the Argo offense and the Riders got the ball back only to march it right down field for a James Robinson TD at 2:18. Unable to advance the ball again, the Argos were forced to kick the ball away with 1:32 on the clock. Once again, the Rider's offense dug deep and marched the ball down field helped by Sisco, Hill and Dressler. They made it as far as the 11 yard line of the Argos but fell short of a TD on two missed catches either of which would have given the Riders a possible win. It was not to be.

The question I keep asking myself is why - if they can get it together long enough to sustain good solid drives followed by TDs - can't they do it for an entire game? Why does it take them three quarters to wake up and join the fun? I don't have the answers but I am sincerely hoping that someone on the Rider team does.

Final score: Toronto 24 - Riders 18

The Lions are in Edmonton tonight. Pregame show is at 5:30 PST followed by the game at 6:00 PST.

 

[talloola]

I didn't know whether to laugh, cry or pull my hair out as I watched the Riders play the Argos last night. For most of three-quarters, the Riders did everything they could to help the Argos while doing nothing to advance their own cause. It was beyond ridiculous.

It was a comedy of errors interrupted by flashes of brilliance which were quickly followed by total inanity. Ball control, turnovers, missed tackles and stupid, thoughtless, brain dead penalties were the order of the first 40 minutes or so. Both Effrem Hill and Chris Getzlaf caught fabulous passes for great yardage only to have them called back by Rider penalties.

The Argos played a good game. They put points on the board but then they really didn't have much opposition, if any from the Rider defense for most of the game. However, the holes in their defense were finally exposed when the Riders mounted a comeback late in the third quarter. Until then, the Riders had managed only 4 measly points as Chris Melo(sp?) filling in for injured kicker Eddie Johnson, after having failed on his first two attempts at F.Gs. and garnering only a single point in the process, finally connected on a 27 yarder to give the Riders 4 points. At 11;26 in the 4th, the Argos led the Riders 24 to 4.

With 7:26 left in the game, Chris Getzlaf connected with Darian for a 70 yard pop and go TD and the Riders finally had their first seven points of the game. Maybe this sparked the defense as they were able to stymie the Argo offense and the Riders got the ball back only to march it right down field for a James Robinson TD at 2:18. Unable to advance the ball again, the Argos were forced to kick the ball away with 1:32 on the clock. Once again, the Rider's offense dug deep and marched the ball down field helped by Sisco, Hill and Dressler. They made it as far as the 11 yard line of the Argos but fell short of a TD on two missed catches either of which would have given the Riders a possible win. It was not to be.

The question I keep asking myself is why - if they can get it together long enough to sustain good solid drives followed by TDs - can't they do it for an entire game? Why does it take them three quarters to wake up and join the fun? I don't have the answers but I am sincerely hoping that someone on the Rider team does.

Final score: Toronto 24 - Riders 18

The Lions are in Edmonton tonight. Pregame show is at 5:30 PST followed by the game at 6:00 PST.

your explanation of the roughriders sounds very familiar, I know another team in this area that does
very similar plays. lol

I have a good feeling about the lions tonight, edmonton are missing good players, so the lions must
take this opportunity to pounce, and they will play better than they did last week, because there is
only one way for them to go after that game, and that is 'up'.

 

[talloola]

the lions weren't the 'doormats' tonight. And congratulations to Geroy.

GO LIONS GO

 

[Kreskin]

your explanation of the roughriders sounds very familiar, I know another team in this area that does
very similar plays. lol

I have a good feeling about the lions tonight, edmonton are missing good players, so the lions must
take this opportunity to pounce, and they will play better than they did last week, because there is
only one way for them to go after that game, and that is 'up'.

Good call T. The Eskies looked to be in disarray and BC ready to play. Bruce and Simon are looming to be quite a tandem. The D looks pretty good. 8 sacks.. they sure teed off tonight.

What I like about Bruce is his willingness to go inside and be effective there. This should create more space for the other guys.

 

[talloola]

Good call T. The Eskies looked to be in disarray and BC ready to play. Bruce and Simon are looming to be quite a tandem. The D looks pretty good. 8 sacks.. they sure teed off tonight.

They deserve this win, they deserve to sit in the dressingroom with smiles instead of grimaces, they've
had two seasons of grief this year alone, so this one is sweet.

 

[Kreskin]

They deserve this win, they deserve to sit in the dressingroom with smiles instead of grimaces, they've
had two seasons of grief this year alone, so this one is sweet.

You bet. Simon looked pretty smooth coming over the middle for his catch and run TD. What a great career he has had.

Although the game was over by the time he played, I liked what I saw with Jarios Jackson too. For a guy sitting on the bench most of the year he sure knows the playbook, especially the running game. The fake pass and draw was sweet. His Notre Dame background is evident when he leads the running game and it can be pretty cool to watch. Unfortunately he plays mostly now when he's needed to toss Hail Mary's.

 

[Mowich]

I have a good feeling about the lions tonight, edmonton are missing good players, so the lions must take this opportunity to pounce, and they will play better than they did last week, because there is only one way for them to go after that game, and that is 'up'.

So glad your 'feeling' was on the money, talloola. The Lions were really solid tonight, after a bit of a shaky start, they never looked back. Eight sacks on the night - outstanding! Also glad to see 'Bruce Almighty' in action again. I am a fan of Arland and it is great to see playing so well again - 9 catches/129 yards/ 2 TDs. Travis just got better as the night went on - some of his passes were picture perfect and one almost seemed to defy the law of physics. Good on the kid, heard he got a talking to - it obviously had a very positive effect on him. Geroy Simon - one of the best players the Lions have with out a single doubt - set two records tonight. He is now the 3rd all-time player in receiving yards and he is in a tie with, I think it is Alan Pitts, as the Lions' all-time TD leader at 87.

Really happy for you and your team, talloola. :smile:

Rickie Ray was not able to overcome the loss of his key receivers due to injuries and had one of his very worst games ever. He was totally ineffectual and was sacked five times. He also threw for two interceptions. Though the protection offered him by his offense was as porous as swiss cheese. The defense, when they weren't taking penalties, were missing tackles left and right. The entire team was totally off on the night and Kavis Reed needs to come up with some plays that include a wide range of receivers as the losses to injuries are simply points killers. It was also mentioned and rightly so that the running game of the Eskimos was nowhere in sight tonight. One might have thought that given the new faces in the line-up, going to the tried and true ground game would be a a no-brainer - such was not the case.

Yes, the Eskimos were awful - they even made the Riders look good. However, I was really put out by the Eskimo fans booing their team. They may be down 3 but for pete's sake, they have 5 wins. The team is missing very key players who helped the Esks to those wins and you can't in all honesty discount their value to the line-up. So I would suggest that the Eskimo fans who were so rude as to boo their QB specifically and their team generally - take a deep breath and ease up on the guys. Have a look around and see what is happening with other teams and count your blessings.

Lastly, I was absolutely gobsmacked to hear the news about Greg Marshall being fired today - did not see that coming at all. Doug Berry is another matter altogether and many feel he should not have been hired back this year. The good news is that Ken Miller will be back coaching. I have great faith in Ken and was really sad to see him move up to GM this year. It will be wonderful to see him on the sidelines and his effect on the team can only be positive as he already has an established relationship with many of the players - most especially Darian.

What I didn't like hearing was that there may be players fired before the Labor Day game. I hope that Brendan takes a very careful look at the roster before he starts handing out pink slips. There is an outside chance that the team could get John Chick and Andy Fantuz back before the season is over so maybe he is making adjustments for that possibility.

 

[talloola]

Yes, the Eskimos were awful - they even made the Riders look good. However, I was really put out by the Eskimo fans booing their team. They may be down 3 but for pete's sake, they have 5 wins. The team is missing very key players who helped the Esks to those wins and you can't in all honesty discount their value to the line-up. So I would suggest that the Eskimo fans who were so rude as to boo their QB specifically and their team generally - take a deep breath and ease up on the guys. Have a look around and see what is happening with other teams and count your blessings.
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Never fails, fans are all about me me me, don't have a clue about consideration and compassion for their
'own' players.
They pay their dollar, and they want want want, and if the team doesn't deliver, they have their little
childish tantrums, like booing and jeering, I will never understand that concept.

They don't care about the hardships of that many players being sidelined with injuries, its still all about
me me me, pretty shameful.

 

[Kreskin]

That's just the way it is. They can be thankful they don't play soccer in Columbia, where too many games gets you an execution.

 

[Mowich]

So much for my predictions. :color:

Post #131
"You think? Gonna start on Greg now are you? :icon_smile: I'll stick my neck waaaaay out here and state unequivocally that the Riders are not going to do anything about removing Greg Marshall as head coach. The Riders realize that having a new head coach and losing some key players means that it will take time to for adjustments to be made and positions to be locked in. It may take the entire season for this to happen and if so, that is fine with me."

 

[Kreskin]

Easier transition with Miller still there. If I was a Rider fan I'd feel a lot better with Miller at the helm.

 

[talloola]

That's just the way it is. They can be thankful they don't play soccer in Columbia, where too many games gets you an execution.

good point!!!!!