Time...Jack Lenin had to pick someone and someone fast. He's not going to be aruond very much longer. Picking a temp leader would be the last thing on my mind when dieing.
Nycole Turmel’s flirtation with sovereignty was not a secret.
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The real problem is (and this is the point), Turmel is far too TYPICAL...........
Look at the two deputies.
Mulcair is certifiable.
Davies, like Turmel, loves to love Hamas. (and enable them to kill Jews)
Most of the caucus (59 out of 103) is from Quebec.........so appointing a westerner is out of the question. The NDP has nothing to do with rural Canada anymore.......
The guy suffered from a lack of options, and it appears Turmel wasn't talking about her membership in the Provincial Association of Really Crazy Seditious Commies.........otherwise known as Quebec Solidaire.
God forbid this band of merry morons ever gets into power....
Do yo still think she was elected by the party Colpy? That is a major ****-up that you've yet to address.
Anointed or elected. She should not be interim leader. Jack Layton was the leader of the NDP for a very long time. As leader it was his responsibility to know his people and make recommendations based on that knowledge. While I know he is very ill, and wish him only the best, I am doubtful that he was not well versed on the individual he recommended.
Doubt all you want, it parallels Harper hiring a disbarred convicted fraudster. Why didn't he look into Carson's background before hiring him? Harper was healthy at the time. What are his excuses?
No misinformation......
Nycole Turmel Backed By NDP Caucus As Interim Leader While Jack Layton Fights New Cancer
Then....the National Council:
NDP confirms Nycole Turmel as interim leader
The Associated Press and 1310News staff Jul 28, 2011 11:47:06 AM 0http://www.570news.com/news/national/article/259062--ndp-confirms-nycole-turmel-as-interim-leader#
OTTAWA - Nycole Turmel has been confirmed as stand-in leader for an ailing Jack Layton.
The NDP's national council has formally confirmed the appointment of the rookie MP and veteran union head as interim leader.
Turmel says she has big shoes to fill, but a solid foundation to stand on in the party Layton built over the last eight years.
She has the unanimous support of the party's caucus as well as Layton's personal endorsement.
http://www.570news.com/news/national/article/259062--ndp-confirms-nycole-turmel-as-interim-leader
Jack could recommend, he could not anoint......
I love how the conversations always steer in this direction.
When you can find a post by me defending the Prime Minister in that particular issue I will gladly shut up.
OK, OKAY!!!!!!....
(insert rolled eyes here)
She was unanimously CONFIRMED by the caucus, and she was also CONFIRMED by the National Council......does that make you feel better Dear?????
Which means she has the support of the Party. Who could easily have rejected her and inserted their own candidate(s).
So......what was your original point?
Or were you just grabbing the thread's steering wheel and putting it in the ditch.....as is your habit??????
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Oh come on now!
I'm not trying to be anti-semantic here but really?
Would you believe selected then?
Yup selected is what really happened. Soon someone will be elected as the official leader. If the next leader is clean as a whistle then what? Start attacking suit and tie combos?
I think it's still just bandying semantics.
To select is to choose, to elect is to choose. Whether formal or informal, permanent or temporary, a choice was made.
Turmel is "clean as a whistle", as far as we know.
There is no hint of corruption.
It is her politics that are the problem.
"Useful idiot", Hamas-loving, radical unionist, communist sympathizer, separatist supporter.
All these are legitimate political stances.
She IS "clean as a whistle".
She is simply unelectable on a national basis.
As are most of the alternatives.
Jack is a one-off.
Overall, I believe Turmel. People do change ideas or, as in her case, have a dividing line between political and personal allegiances, or support a party on one front but not another, or floor-cross, etc. Freedom to change your ideas is part of a healthy democracy. It's not like there is any law saying that once you are a member of a political party, you must remain a member for life and can never change parties.
Good article. And I bet that if a sovereignist conservative party like the ADQ was the leading conservative party in a provincial election in Quebec, many federalist conservatives in Quebec would vote for it too.
We all know Harper is a megalomaniac. 'Nough said.
He seems to be talking from both sides of his face here. Not at all surprising coming from him. I'm a world federalist and am quite open about it. Some people truly are isolationists, and at least they're consistent about it. The moment we trade with other countries and establish flights and cruises and other communication between countries, we need some kind of global governance. Then it becomes a question of degrees. I myself am a decentralist for instance, but still recognize the need for world federation. But to pretend to be able to integrate into the world economy without loosing at least some sovereignty is asinine.
Good article. And I bet that if a sovereignist conservative party like the ADQ was the leading conservative party in a provincial election in Quebec, many federalist conservatives in Quebec would vote for it too.
We all know Harper is a megalomaniac. 'Nough said.
You can trade all you want and still retain sovereignty. You're falling for a lie.
Stephen Harper "Its a loss of CANADA'S sovereignty" - YouTube
It's not global government but global governance......
What the f***? Boy he is a good liar and Canadians are dumber than bags of hammers.
Government and governace are the same ****ing thing.
gov·er·nance (gv
r-n
ns)
n.1. The act, process, or power of governing; government: "Regaining a sense of the state is thus an absolute priority, not only for an effective policy against . . . terrorism, but also for governance itself" (Moorhead Kennedy).
2. The state of being governed.
He seems to be talking from both sides of his face here. Not at all surprising coming from him. I'm a world federalist and am quite open about it. Some people truly are isolationists, and at least they're consistent about it. The moment we trade with other countries and establish flights and cruises and other communication between countries, we need some kind of global governance. Then it becomes a question of degrees. I myself am a decentralist for instance, but still recognize the need for world federation. But to pretend to be able to integrate into the world economy without loosing at least some sovereignty is asinine.
Right.
The article is the usual crap we have come to expect out of Quebec, self-involved navel-gazing, without reference or consideration the the Canadian fact.
It is not that the RoC does not understand Quebec, we understand Quebec very well.
It is that this idiot does not understand the RoC, which considers a sincere dedication to the federalist idea of Canada to be a prerequisite to success as a politician outside of Quebec. We are quite tolerant of separatists INSIDE Quebec (witness the outpouring of sympathy for Bouchard when he was seriously ill), and very tolerant of reformed separatists outside Quebec.......
We are NOT tolerant of people becoming leaders on the national stage that are currently involved in either Separatist politics or radical leftist politics.
What the idiot author refuses to acknowledge is that the NDP requires support outside of Quebec to be a national success, and that the elevation of a radical leftist supporter of Quebec separation will instantly disolve that support............no matter how much the Quebecers love her.
The NDP needs to decide whether they are a new, very left-wing Bloc of Quebec separatists.........or a moderate left of centre Canadian national alternative.
The two are mutually exclusive.
Which is why the NDP will shrink radically (pun intended) in the next election.
"We are quite tolerant of separatists INSIDE Quebec (witness the outpouring of sympathy for Bouchard when he was seriously ill), and very tolerant of reformed separatists outside Quebec......."
Intolerant???
Yes... Quite ... and a gossipy goose too. Can you provide a link verifying Turmel was anything more than a member of convenience?