Fighting on her behalf? How exactly did that work? How were the boys sent to Vietnam fighting "for" the american people? How were they "protecting" them and from what?
Memories of Hanoi Jane
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Fighting on her behalf? How exactly did that work? How were the boys sent to Vietnam fighting "for" the american people? How were they "protecting" them and from what?
I knew that this would be the response.
So here's your answer Cliffy. You are free to protest the war in Afghanistan, free to protest the war in Iraq, free to protest the bombing of Libya. That's the line. You can march on Ottawa or Washington, but the minute you start posing for propaganda shots with the Taliban or assisting Gaddafi during torture sessions then you are a traitor.
For the record I don't support torture including water boarding. I believe the minute you place a hand on a prisoner you have rendered his information useless.
And what good did protest do? From the murders of US citizen at Kent State to the end of the war was 6 years. The war did not end because of protests.
Did Jane actually assist in the torture of POWs? I don't think so. Those were heady times but someone of conscience would not condone torture by anybody, in any form. The US had no business being in Vietnam any more than they do in Iraq or Afghanistan. Only those who believe the BS propaganda would think otherwise.
Did Jane actually assist in the torture of POWs? I don't think so. Those were heady times but someone of conscience would not condone torture by anybody, in any form. The US had no business being in Vietnam any more than they do in Iraq or Afghanistan. Only those who believe the BS propaganda would think otherwise.
Yes it did.
So you justify her willingness to embrace an enemy because you don't support the war. When are you leaving for Panjwaii District to have a meeting with the Taliban?
Seriously, I get you don't support the war, but not supporting the war does not justify embracing the thugs on the other side. The soldiers are still your your fellow citizens. I don't suppirt everything my government does, but I would never sit with its enemies.
Niether would I but I might like to see the leaders of both sides locked in a room together until they hashed out their differences or killed each other.
Has never happened in the past, nor will it ever happen in the future.
You really go to live in the real world.
Judging from what you have said it is obvious you have never had to lead in though negotiations.
I never said it could happen, just that I would like to see it. As for tough negotiations, I have been married 5 times, so yes, I know what it is like.
They were in service to the state.
In a democracy, the state is the people.
Therefore they were in service to the people.....including Jane.
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Out of curiosity Colpy, How do you justify the American military being in
VietNam in the first place? Viet Nam is nowhere near the U.S.. Viet
Nam was never a threat to the U.S. homeland.
Here is your favorite picture.
That might be true in a democracy, but neither the US or Canada are really democracies. The troops and the governments are representing the military/industrial complex and other corporate interests. The illusion of democracy is just more propaganda.
Out of curiosity Colpy, How do you justify the American military being in
VietNam in the first place? Viet Nam is nowhere near the U.S.. Viet
Nam was never a threat to the U.S. homeland.
Here is your favorite picture.
I don't justify it. From the very start, it was a disaster. Ho Chi Minh was a friend to the USA, who discovered him to be the only man competent and trustworthy enough to deserve support in his guerilla war against Japanese occupiers in WWII. After the war, Ho was betrayed at first to curry favour with France, and then because of the obsessive rejection and contempt for anything that might smack of socialism, or that was ever in the presence of Russian or Chinese socialists.
The entire thing was a tragedy, and a travesty........from 1946 on.
Which doesn't change a thing about what I said regarding Jane.
Riiigggghhhhhtttt......
This really not correct, certainly not in Canada and I would have my doubts about the US.
I know this is often stated by the business haters like the NDP, but there has never been any proof of this, it's just popular beer talk among business haters.
We have a democracy just like the US, with faults, warts and all.
There must have been millions of Americans who could have afforded
the airfare to Hanoi like Jane did. What Jane Fonda did was to get
people's attention. Fonda said her government were war criminals
and she was right. When I think of VietNam my thoughts return to
the news picture of that little naked Viet Namese girl who had survived
a napalm attack. Anything Fonda said or did was nothing in comparison.
There were a lot of people getting US peoples attention all using different methods and techniques, but I think the method Jane used was crossing the line and probably causing harm to the troops there.
The Vietnamese are some of the nicest people in the world. I have not met one who holds a grudge today. They also were very fast to create good relations with the U.S. after the war.
Jane Fonda's negative contributions to the American soldiers' well-being in Vietnam were insignificant compared to the contributions of their own governments. Committing treason against a war criminal government doesn't seem like any crime to me.
What I'm hoping for is this incromprehensable female piece of trash grows old, get very incontinent and sit is a diaper in her wheel chair for weeks without a diaper change. Even that would be too good for this traitor who still is enjoying American freedoms many of us fought to defend..
What freedoms did you fight to defend? Show me one war in the past 60 years that had anything to do with protecting freedoms. They have all been about exploitation. And you are a sick puppy for even wishing that sort of fate on anybody.