Top court says divorce payment void after bankruptcy

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Top court says divorce payment void after bankruptcy - Canada - CBC News

The Supreme Court of Canada has left open a legal loophole that could see spouses get out of paying divorce settlements with a strategic claim of bankruptcy.

But the top court says Parliament needs to act to close the gap.

In a unanimous decision, the court upheld defining equalization payments as debts, meaning they are wiped off a person's slate on a declaration of bankruptcy.

It also means an ex-spouse owed such a payment can no longer receive it.

Equalization is a system of evening out the net worth of couples by placing a dollar value on their assets and having the spouse worth more compensate the one worth less. Not every province uses this system; others physically divide the actual assets.

The case of Schreyer vs. Schreyer involved a Manitoba couple who separated in 1999. The evaluation of their assets wasn't completed until 2007, when the court decided she was owed $41,063.48 on the basis of the value of the family farm.

But in 2002, while the nuts-and-bolts of the Schreyers' deal were being hammered out, the husband had declared bankruptcy.

Some assets — such as family farms and pensions — are protected in bankruptcy, so someone officially declared bankrupt could still be worth money.

The ex-wife claimed she didn't know her ex-husband had filed for bankruptcy, so didn't use available legal avenues to ensure her stake was protected.

As a result, he got the farm and her equalization payment was deemed by lower courts to be worth nothing.

"I do not doubt that an outcome like the one in this appeal looks unfair, given that the appellant's equalization claim was based primarily on the value of an asset — the farm property — which was exempt from bankruptcy and therefore not accessible to other creditors," wrote Justice Louis LeBel.

"Parliament could amend the [Bankruptcy and Insolvency Act] in respect of the effect of a bankruptcy's discharge on equalization claims and exempt assets. But the absence of such an amendment makes the outcome of this case unavoidable."....... (continued)

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So for all you currently in the middle of a divorce, you better act fast and file for bankruptcy as soon as possible before they fix this ;-)
 

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Some assets — such as family farms and pensions — are protected in
bankruptcy, so someone officially declared bankrupt could still be worth
money.
They can't take the home quarter or homestead. Best goddam law ever. That an easy 250K ace in the hole.
 

Praxius

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And put everything into cash and hide it.

Reminds me of when my parents divorced. It wasn't the most friendly of situations that's for sure. My father collects a lot of WWI & WWII medals, uniforms, helmets, and had an entire basement rec-room filled wall to wall with authentic & rare items. My mother a few years back when I was young never liked them and told him that one day when he wasn't around she'd sell it all for $2 (which she never did)

During the divorce her lawyer pressed her to go for every single penny should could, including the value of the medals/uniforms, etc.

Before it was all settled, he sold a number of his things to avoid this situation of having the value divided and eventually talked to his own lawyer and mentioned the above situation where she threatened to sell it all for $2..... therefore couldn't he just get away with giving her $2, rather than the real value of it all?

His lawyer responded by saying, "Actually, you'd only owe her half of that" :lol:

It's been all done and over with and their divorce & how they feel towards each other is none of my business and I don't hold anything against them for what they had to go through, but the above did make me laugh.
 

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Why would anyone decide that they didn't want to financially contribute to their child's future?

Loser? What sort of person takes that stance?

Reminds me of when my parents divorced. It wasn't the most friendly of situations that's for sure. My father collects a lot of WWI & WWII medals, uniforms, helmets, and had an entire basement rec-room filled wall to wall with authentic & rare items. My mother a few years back when I was young never liked them and told him that one day when he wasn't around she'd sell it all for $2 (which she never did)

During the divorce her lawyer pressed her to go for every single penny should could, including the value of the medals/uniforms, etc.

Before it was all settled, he sold a number of his things to avoid this situation of having the value divided and eventually talked to his own lawyer and mentioned the above situation where she threatened to sell it all for $2..... therefore couldn't he just get away with giving her $2, rather than the real value of it all?

His lawyer responded by saying, "Actually, you'd only owe her half of that" :lol:

It's been all done and over with and their divorce & how they feel towards each other is none of my business and I don't hold anything against them for what they had to go through, but the above did make me laugh.

If only they had realized that by splitting your half with the lawyers, everyone lost.
 

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Why would anyone decide that they didn't want to financially contribute to their child's future?.
The farm will go to the child and not the mom. It's a homestead and homestead rights are hereditary. That is what makes it the best goddam law ever.
 

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My mom drew my attention to a Wills article in the Financial Post this week. Apparently, Quebec has been the only province that honoured a Will after someone married until this year. That is, if a man had a Will, got married, then his will was null and void by that act of marriage alone. There was a man, in Ontario, that had a Will leaving everything to his only daughter from two previous marriages. He remarried, Will in place, and 14 days later committed suicide. His third wife got everything. Alberta and BC have recently changed the law to allow Wills to stand after marriage.
 

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Why would anyone decide that they didn't want to financially contribute to their child's future?

Loser? What sort of person takes that stance?

Who said it always covers children? These type of legal battles over who gets who's money can and do occur where no children are involved at all.

If only they had realized that by splitting your half with the lawyers, everyone lost.

My dad did, and tried to sort it all out without getting lawyers involved because he knew full well how much they'd take for themselves, but my mother thought he might try and take advantage of the situation.

I sensible precaution when one thinks about it, but the situation did drag out much longer then it needed to and one of the lawyers did purposely drag it out to get more money out of it.

Anyways, I won't get any further into it as it's not exactly my place to go into a lot of detail.

I'll just sum it up as being one of your typical divorces with pain in the ass situations.
 

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She could have sold the farm out from under their kid who wanted to make an honest living there. Maybe dad doesn't want it to go down like that and used his rights to protect something once lost is gone forever. Homestead and family history.
 

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The farm will go to the child and not the mom. It's a homestead and homestead rights are hereditary. That is what makes it the best goddam law ever.

In the 70s, the homestead would have gone to the wife if the wife participated in the enterprise. Homesteads usually pass through the son, and the mom is bought out.
 

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From the right of men over property to the tender years doctrine ... todays women are smart enough to never let men get their hands on the homestead.
 

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From the right of men over property to the tender years doctrine ... todays women are smart enough to never let men get their hands on the homestead.
Yup. If it was her family's. At 100 years of being in the family you hit heritage site status. One more year to go for where my dad's grandparents finally settled and I farm now.
 

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Thank goodness that today men recognize the importance of contributing to their children and women can hold onto the homestead after marriage.
 

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My mom drew my attention to a Wills article in the Financial Post this week. Apparently, Quebec has been the only province that honoured a Will after someone married until this year. That is, if a man had a Will, got married, then his will was null and void by that act of marriage alone. There was a man, in Ontario, that had a Will leaving everything to his only daughter from two previous marriages. He remarried, Will in place, and 14 days later committed suicide. His third wife got everything. Alberta and BC have recently changed the law to allow Wills to stand after marriage.

In most Canadian jurisdictions, if you die intestate (without a will), the spouse gets 1/2, and any children share the other 1/2. If you marry or have children and do not update your will, the will can be declared void (because the assumption is, if you get married or have children, you would want your estate to look after them).
 

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In most Canadian jurisdictions, if you die intestate (without a will), the spouse gets 1/2, and any children share the other 1/2. If you marry or have children and do not update your will, the will can be declared void (because the assumption is, if you get married or have children, you would want your estate to look after them).

I guess that's the point of the article ... that people should realize that having a Will before you marry someone you've known for 14 months and been married to for 2 weeks doesn't mean anything ... the minute someone is married in Canada, it is assumed that there is no existing willl unless it is signed after the marriage, even if there is a Will before the marriage. All previous Wills are null and void the moment someone is married. Quebec has recognized pre-marriage wills in the past, and Alberta and British Columbia will recognize pre-marriage wills after 2011, but in all other provinces the families are screwed unless the Will is signed after marriage.